Xojo should not offer update for unsupported versions

In order to check something, I just downloaded 2015R2.2 and installed it in a VM with Windows XP SP3.

It would be a good idea to avoid promoting 2015R3.1 for the unfortunate owners of XP, even less offering to install, since XP is not supported by 2015R3.1.

feedback://showreport?report_id=41569

On windows platform. You can change that, by set the “Check for updates” to Never in Options Menu: Updates

The IDE would have to be telling us what version of whatever os you’re on to know that it should not offer the update
We don’t do that

Heck we can barely get people to sign onto sending us system specs with a bug report

Making the installers not run on unsupported versions of an OS should be very plausible though

Ah, but it doesn’t; in the update information that is delivered to the customers machine, you include the minimum OS and the cust’s machine can evaluate if it meets the requirements.

Then is this incorrect in the r3.1 docs, page 11 of Fundamentals?

“Xojo can create applications that work on these versions of Windows: Windows XP SP 3 x86”

[quote=229103:@Merv Pate]Then is this incorrect in the r3.1 docs, page 11 of Fundamentals?

“Xojo can create applications that work on these versions of Windows: Windows XP SP 3 x86”[/quote]
That should be reported via Feedback as an error in the docs.

Guess what I’m saying is when the IDE does ask for what updates are available it doesnt say “Hey I’m this version on this release of this OS” and so we can’t actually say “Oh YOU’RE XP - no update for YOU”
All it gets back is a reply that says “There’s an update” and a URL to show the update message (not the text of the message)
So the IDE literally has no way to know if this update is one it can / cannot use

Yup - bug

FB #41573. So do we need to keep a 2015r2.4 installation somewhere if need to produce a version that will run on XP?

If you need to support XP yes
And you have my sympathy
But be aware that moving back from the current version to an old version can drop items when you open now projects in old IDE’s
File Type sets are likely to be one thing directly affected by this as the old ide’s dont support all the new items in there

Got it, only a handful of customers I am sure.

[quote=229029:@Norman Palardy]The IDE would have to be telling us what version of whatever os you’re on to know that it should not offer the update
We don’t do that

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That was all but a suggestion. It does not seem terribly difficult to check which version or Windows the IDE is running on and avoid misleading the customer into installing a version that won’t run on the customer machine.

Michel,

what if you run Windows 10 and want to build for Windows XP ? How the IDE can know that ?

The ESP plugin is not available, yet… ;-:slight_smile:

[quote=229142:@Emile Schwarz]Michel,

what if you run Windows 10 and want to build for Windows XP ? How the IDE can know that ?

The ESP plugin is not available, yet… ;-:)[/quote]

You don’t understand. I installed 2015R2.2 under Windows XP SP3. After I had installed it, the auto update said a new version 2015R3.1 was available and offered to upgrade. 2015R3.1 will not even run on XP.

I understand before sending my text who is a valid question (not yours): a developer can want to build Windows XP applications AND run the IDE on Windows 10.

No problem. All versions (including RB & RS) up to 2015R3 run in Windows 10.

Sure
Just that today we do not have that information sent back and forth to do that
We’ll have to make some changes to do this
It’s not a bad idea

I Know a lot of ppl still using XP on PCs which are not connected to networks or Internet. This is ok.

But what are we talking about here? Still using XP as Development platform with active internet connection? (Otherwise you wouldn’t recieve update notification)

And then complaining? Heck please stop playing French games. You are setting yourself in the line of fire with an outdated and unsupported OS full of open security holes.

[quote=229304:@Tomas Jakobs]I Know a lot of ppl still using XP on PCs which are not connected to networks or Internet. This is ok.

But what are we talking about here? Still using XP as Development platform with active internet connection? (Otherwise you wouldn’t recieve update notification)

And then complaining? Heck please stop playing French games. You are setting yourself in the line of fire with an outdated and unsupported OS full of open security holes.[/quote]

You should get a lot of rest. What is this cr@p about French ?

Get a life,

If you still have a hint of logic, testing the IDE on XP was a way to check if Web was executing correctly, following a question in the forum.

Geez !

PS : I happen to be a registered Windows developer, and have been using Windows 10 much before a lot of people here. So charges about still using XP for development are not only unjustified, they are plain maligne and stupid.

Sorry did not wanted to rant around… I hope we both agree in this, using XP on an internet-connected PC is not a wise choice.