And now... Windows 10 is being sunsetted to favor Win 11

[Rick_Araujo]

Microsoft will stop selling Windows 10 licenses in a few days

[MarkusR]

Win 10&11 are both a ugly mix of retro os + modern features.
and Win 11 break appearance of apps who was made for 10 or before.

[Rick_Araujo]

And… everyone will move on to Win 11 liking it or not, and people will need to upgrade their UIs to it.

[MarkusR]

seems security patches stop Oktober 2025 for windows 10.

[Rick_Araujo]

Those, who, like me, have some Win 10 machine, will have that less than 36 months of critical only updates.

[ChristopheDV]

@Rick_Araujo

And… everyone will move on to Win 11 liking it or not, and people will need to upgrade their UIs to it.

Curious how long it will take for Xojo Inc to catch up with the new controls. How wait … it’s already 8 years behind with win32.

[Brandon_Warlick]

In my opinion, Xojo Desktop apps look really nice on Windows 11, especially with dark mode.

[Rick_Araujo]

@ChristopheDV

Curious how long it will take for Xojo Inc to catch up with the new controls.

As WinUI3 are Win32 accessible, and new controls are on the roadmap, I guess very soon.

[Gilles_Plante]

@Rick_Araujo

And… everyone will move on to Win 11 liking it or not

Not me.

[Rick_Araujo]

@Gilles_Plante

Not me.

Sure. Linux or macOS centric guys are not computed in this huge market change.

A customer other day:

– My Google Drive app is telling me that it is now disabled, it won’t run on Win7 anymore, what do I do? I need it.

– Upgrade your OS?

Google Drive for desktop release notes - Google Workspace Admin Help

[Christian_Schmitz]

Once Xojo can drop things like Windows 8.x and maybe older Windows 10 versions, they can start using newer controls available in Windows 10/11.

[Rick_Araujo]

Updating the control suite ASAP for the large base OS, trying to catch up the competitors, doesn’t require throwing away the legacy controls for the dead OSs for some versions. It is only necessary to design a way to switch the control palettes Current<-> Legacy, it would be good to review if the current way can be improved, if not, create a ‘legacy controls’ group and dump the current ones there to support old projects for a while.

[Michel_Bujardet]

@Gilles_Plante

@Rick_Araujo

And… everyone will move on to Win 11 liking it or not

Not me.

You are not a buyer. But your customers are, and chances are they will purchase Win 11.

[Ivan_Tellez]

@MarkusR

Win 11 break appearance of apps who was made for 10 or before.

NOT if the app followed the OS guidelines. Most of the apps using native controls look even better.

@ChristopheDV

How wait … it’s already 8 years behind with win32.

Well, win32 is not really deprecated. sure, there are new options but dont allways work as well.

As for Xojo, I just hope they dont make the same mistake that they did with web2 and keep the win32 controls

[Andrew_Lambert]

Been a Windows user since 3.11.

Usually, I hate the new version for about 2 months. Then I get over it and start liking it. Had the same experience with 95, 98, 2000, XP and 7 (skipped ME, Vista, and 8).

It’s been 3 years now since I updated to Windows 10 and I still hate it. I doubt very much I will buy 11.

[Michel_Bujardet]

@Ivan_Tellez

Well, win32 is not really deprecated.

Actually, .Net controls use Win32 controls under the hood. So in terms of look and feel, they are the same.

The only difference with .Net is true transparency, which Xojo Windows lost in favor or pseudo transparency when it implemented Direct2D.

@Ivan_Tellez

As for Xojo, I just hope they dont make the same mistake that they did with web2 and keep the win32 controls

Actually, current Desktop can perfectly keep older controls, loading older projects. As long as the project is not updated to API 2.00. That is what I do with a couple apps under 2022R4.1 .

DesktopControls could then support .Net controls.

[Ivan_Tellez]

@Michel_Bujardet

Actually, .Net controls use Win32 controls under the hood. So in terms of look and feel, they are the same.

The only difference with .Net is true transparency, which Xojo Windows lost in favor or pseudo transparency when it implemented Direct2D.

Actually, There is no such thing as “.Net controls”

.Net app can use several graphical subsystem like WinForms, WPF and the WinUI can be used both on desktop apps and UWP apps. They can interact with Win32 BUT they are NOT win32 controls.

@Michel_Bujardet

Actually, current Desktop can perfectly keep older controls, loading older projects. As long as the project is not updated to API 2.00. That is what I do with a couple apps under 2022R4.1 .

And what the current Desktop, older controls or API 2.00 has todo with the not yet available Modern UI for Windows 10/11 feature listed on the Xojo Roadmap???

[Gilles_Plante]

@Andrew_Lambert

Usually, I hate the new version for about 2 months. Then I get over it

Then don’t try Windows 11. It is a succession of broken functionalities, thigs that were working right on Windows 10 are now broken, and new bugs.

[Brandon_Warlick]

What do you dislike about Windows 10?

[Andrew_Lambert]

Lots of little things.

The #1 peeve is the way multiple monitors are handled. If you try to drag a window from one monitor to the other, Windows 10 fights you at the edge–trying to keep the window on the original screen. You can turn it off, but that turns off ALL the window management features added since XP. Keyboard shortcuts, the works.

#2 is the “flat” UI design. It’s ugly and dysfunctional. Buttons that don’t look like buttons until you mouse over them. Titlebars that blend in with menubars. Etc. These were solved problems 30+ years ago. Give me back Aero!

#3 is the Start menu. It’s basically useless now. At least in Windows 7, the search feature actually worked reliably and consistently, and never once froze while trying to phone home about a local search.

#4 is the Control Panel. Holy dog crap, Batman. Slow, flaky, no visual feedback, half the settings are broken, and the other half are hidden behind multiple screens.

Etc.