Windows Xp service pak 2

Hi
I can run on windows xp with Xojo 2014r3.2
Error Can find Logic Libs

In the current versions the IDE is not supported to run on XP, but built apps can run on XP SP3.

thanks

You can run the Remote Debugger Stub on Windows XP SP 3 if you need to debug there.

Ok Thanks Greg

Xojo: System_requirements

it is possible yet but do not expect any further support of this system in near future.
In fact it is more than negligently still using Win XP.

I just downloaded the SP3 CD image for an elderly friend of mine who has an 8 years old HP laptop running XP SP2. It is as simple as going to the Microsoft site. His machine could not run Windows 7, and I do not think Vista would much improve his user experience.

That said, I agree with Thomas ; how could any serious developer still use XP ?

A developer whose clients still use XP and do not want to (cannot) update.

On the other hand, watch when you pay at the near (or not) supermarket / McDonald, etc. They all use Windows XP !

last year I’ve sent to 4 customers with network or software support-plans an legal advice, that I won’t support Win XP anymore.
This year I will do the same with Win 2003 Servers in May. I’ve thought long about to just continue my support on these systems but canceled it quickly after seeing what consequences this would mean in legal terms. Everybody should make up his own calculation if its worth riding a dead horse.

Well It makes a differnce, if these systems are locked down with policies and a handset of allowed apps behind firewalls without direct internet access or if these are just regular workstations with interactive user access for mails, files, webbrowser etc.

They sure look like Windows XP and share many characteristics but they are actually using Windows Embedded which is very much a locked down version of Windows.

[quote=164240:@Tomas Jakobs]it is possible yet but do not expect any further support of this system in near future.
In fact it is more than negligently still using Win XP.[/quote]
Sure there are lots still using XP
Have them update to XP SP 3

[quote=164330:@Tomas Jakobs]last year I’ve sent to 4 customers with network or software support-plans an legal advice, that I won’t support Win XP anymore.
This year I will do the same with Win 2003 Servers in May. I’ve thought long about to just continue my support on these systems but canceled it quickly after seeing what consequences this would mean in legal terms. Everybody should make up his own calculation if its worth riding a dead horse.[/quote]

I like statistics. They give something to base a decision on.

According to Wikipedia OS Marketshare page, here are the browsing statistics :

Windows 7 55.92% Windows XP 18.93% Windows 8/8.1 15.22% Windows Vista 2.44%

It is apparent that XP has a lot of resilience.

So on certain markets, in particular end user market, I do not think it is entirely wise to dispose of XP just yet. Close to 20% is difficult to dispose of. But it would be ridiculous to hold technology back just to support that old fashion, unsupported by Microsoft system.

My friend I mentioned above with his XP SP2 could not install Opera or Chrome, that is why I provided him with the SP3 update CD. But at the same time, it shows major companies already stopped supporting SP2. So does the Xojo IDE.

For a developer, however, using XP to develop on is, IMO, ridiculous and potentially dangerous. Just like it would not be quite wise to develop applications on Mac OS X Leopard and hope apps will run smoothly under Yosemite.

For a developer who has corporate customers, it probably make sense to limit the scope of maintenance. After all, a company is supposed to maintain a certain level of technological relevance, and XP has long passed the yogurt expiration date.

Another thing to consider:

A person with a legitimate install of Windows XP is likely to have the software they require already and are not as likely to buy new software as someone who tries to keep current.

Another thought on that: I doubt that customers, who neglect the need of up-to-date and safe systems for their business (because of expenses for new licenses) will pay my invoices next time. I better drop these bad apples before running behind unpaid bills.

[quote=164407:@Bob Coleman]Another thing to consider:

A person with a legitimate install of Windows XP is likely to have the software they require already and are not as likely to buy new software as someone who tries to keep current.[/quote]

There are always two sides: A salesman might see this as momentum and chance to bring the customer to update both, the system and the software. Come on, you’re already updateing your clients, this year your 2003 servers… lets do these software in the same step. it helps to keep the costs low… you get the picture? :wink:

Which is another good reason to drop support of XP. :slight_smile:

Many of my clients work off second hand machines from individuals and organizations that are not longer needed/used by them. (They are volunteers). In that market, XP is much more than 20% and at least, at the present time, a significant market share not to ignore. IDE on XP, definitely not. Builds, for a while yet…

That is the nice thing about developers : some of us target the general public, some others corporations, and you do non-profit. Each segment has it’s specificities, and indeed, for you, XP is one that has value. There surely exists a market for XP users, and contrary to what was said above, I do not really believe because someone has had a computer for a while, he ceased to purchase software. In fact, I see everyday teachers get fonts for their computers, and from support requests, I see all sorts of configurations that I never though were still in use.

Intrinsically, well built electronics can easily last 15 years or more. When a user is satisfied by his computer, why should he change, besides not being able to connect to Internet or find new software for it ? Or parts, but here again I found a while ago suppliers who specialize in parts for PPC and 68x Macs.

Today, my XP SP2 friend whom I gave a SP3 CD to, called me to thank me : his machine is working like new, and he was able to install Opera, so now he has fast browsing. Now the keys of his venerable HP laptop have somewhat faded, and a few are barely readable. So I bought a €2.99 keyboard stickers sheet for him, now he will have a new keyboard as well.

That said, and even if I like a lot of us I have enjoyed XP for quite a while until Windows 7 (hated Vista), I think a developer ought to fit his machine the same way at least as the current hardware. Today, a PC is sold with Windows 8.1. Tomorrow, it will be with Windows 10. It would make sense to use the same system.