Opinion on the Mac G5

I have just been given a Mac G5 tower and I am seeking forum opinions on its usefulness and capabilities. I have done a quick net search on the G5’s capabilities and there are many and varied opinions on the usefulness of of this computer. As to the question of whether it can run El Capitan, there seems to be a yes,no,yes,no range of opinions. My next question would be, can it run Xojo?. I would like to gather some reliable information before going through the process of changing the HDD, installing a wifi receiver, etc.

The machine is in as new condition and really is a fine example of modern, contemporary, technology art. Even if it failed to be able to do any of the above, I would be loath to trash it given its beautiful design. What do you think guys?

As is is a PowerPC It’s can run Intel software and that includes El Capitan…

BTW I have one that I bought new way back when, but have not used it in years.

  • karen

I know those machines could run some versions of linux, but I’m not sure what distros still support them. As for running Xojo, I don’t think that would be possible without some kind of x86 emulation which would ruin the performance I think.

Might be useful as a server of some sort for a specific use, but given how power hungry those machines are and the limitations involved with running current software, I’m not really sure what I would use it for.

A G5 can run 10.11? No way. I think you are confusing this with a Mac Pro.

The latest OS a PowerMac G5 can run is 10.5.8: http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/specs/powermac_g5_quad_2.5.html

They are beautiful machines but power hungry and not suitable for anything other than museum pieces at this point, in my opinion.

[quote=313957:@Michael Diehr]A G5 can run 10.11? No way. I think you are confusing this with a Mac Pro.

The latest OS a PowerMac G5 can run is 10.5.8: http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/specs/powermac_g5_quad_2.5.html

They are beautiful machines but power hungry and not suitable for anything other than museum pieces at this point, in my opinion.[/quote]

I meant to write can’t.

  • karen

The 8bitGuy recently did a video on the PowerMac G5: https://youtu.be/6SqYMU81l8Y

In short, he thought it was noisy, power-hungry, relatively slow and not all that useful today. He was also unable to get Linux running on it.

2010r3.2 is the last version of Real Studio that ran on it: http://developer.xojo.com/deprecations

Find another one and make a nice bench. They’re one of the more “stable” Macs around.

I have one G5 running as file server, and postgres database server. it works fine.
you can install a (big) sata drive in it.
but apart from that it’s 10.5.8 maximum os, no windows possible, linux unknown
nice for backup server, but no more.

And you can use it to play older Mac games. :slight_smile:

VirtualBox ?

No. You would need an older copy of Virtual PC.
It needs to emulate the CPU.

Not quite. There was an emulator at the time. If I remember right, Virtual PC. Oh, I see Christian already mentioned it. We are talking Windows 98, though. Perhaps XP. I doubt extremely much Windows 10 would run in such environment.

Linux probably would work fine there.

Not quite sure, but I think Virtual PC is accessible for free. Let me check. Yes.
https://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/6078/virtual-pc/

Note there are other emulators on the same page.

Power Mac G5 was released on June 23, 2003 and discontinued on August 7, 2006.
VirtualBox @ WikipediA was released in 2007.

I checked on www.virtualbox.org fo the oldest available version (there), but it was v4 from 2015-12.

Maybe a quest on the internet may returns a far older version, a version you can use with the OS X ( OS X 10.5 Leopard released on October 26, 2007) available for this computer ?

Turn File and Web Sharing on and use it as a home web/FTP server and file storage.

Seems like the difference between emulation and virtualization is not fully clear.
VirtualBox is a virtualization engine, that is it requires the CPU is Intel.
VirtualPC was an emulation platform, permitting to emulate Intel CPUs on PowerPC CPUs

To blur things worse, Virtual PC now belongs to Microsoft, and the latest Virtual PC uses the Windows virtualization technology.

Virtual PC on Mac PPC was indeed an emulator, analogous to what IBM did for his PPC based PCs.

From what I recall, Virtual PC was a rather nice stable environment.

VirtualPC was so sloooooowwww that I dont count it as a windows solution on the mac.
I even bought a small pc at the time to make some electronic pcb at home as virtual pc was painfully slow.
for the price of the software, I’got a used pc workstation that was so much faster.
virtual box yes but it works on intel machines, not powerpc like the g5

I have one of these and can agree the high power consumption (very high, mine is a dual G5 one). I replaced it with a Mini Server i7 with a 500Gb SSD and a 2Tb hybrid HD. Is far fastest and power saver than the G5. Days ago i readed somewhere it is good to make a Hackintosh. I think is the best use to give it :wink:

The Power Mac G5 is cool if you want to run old software. With Mac OS 10.4.11 and Mac OS 9 (Classic layer) you can run a huge collection of abandonware from sites like Macintosh Garden.

If you’re not into running old Mac software then a G5 tower doesn’t have much use.

I remember it being usable on G5’s (at the time), but that was highly dependent on the software you were running. A lot of software absolutely had to have a real PC for decent performance.

The G5 was the ultimate expression of the Motorola processor that defined Apple for decades. The switch to the Intel processor was predicated on power-issues particularly in the move to miniaturization, as well as confidence Intel could provide the goods, which the did.

As a result, the G5 was left in the dust as Apple had such success with using Intel processors that they dropped support for that kind of code in software in hardware. OSX 10.7 dropped it, and new Mac’s left it behind too.

Daniel Taylor is right - I’ll throw my 2 cents in. In the music industry which I work, there are still plenty of studios that use G5’s with older audio interfaces and outboard gear. The point that it still “works” still has tons of uses. The dirty secret is that sometimes technology delivers something at some point of time in complete, and the idea that “there’s always further advancement” isn’t always true. I’m not saying that the technology industry is in some type of intentional conspiracy to always sell us something, and actually in many areas there is plenty of advancement to be done. But it doesn’t mean that old sucks. Consider…

I use a 4 computer setup, using one keyboard/mouse/27" monitor under KVM control. Two are main Mac and Windows computers. The Mac is a competitively old MBP that runs 10.6 most of the time but I have USB drives that run 10.7/8/9/10/11/12 in separate partitions. Although increasingly I’m using Mavericks or Sierra, OSX 10.6 is so elegant and so less obnoxious I like using that most of the time. The Windows computer runs Win7 - Win8 and 10 are more obnoxious like OSX 10.7+ seems.

Again, just because it’s new doesn’t mean it makes you more productive.

More to the point, the other 2 computers are a Intel Core Duo Macmini running 10.5 (runs iTunes, Toast 5, and many software music programs written around that era) and a desktop XP 32-bit Windows computer that runs ACT! and has a floppy drive which enters into the music biz more frequently than you would think.

It’s not just “running old software” like it’s for fun, but really some old software is plain superior to newer ones. ACT1 2000 is faster than newer ACT!'s and the import features in the new ACT!'s do a unacceptable job on the older db;s, leaving behind lots of data. My 2004 Macmini I use for utilitarian things, like burning CD’s and running iTunes in infinite loop, so my main computers don’t have to do it and since run this handy 4 computer setup, my workflow isn’t broken and I can do many things concurrently without waiting. Often it seems that people are brainwashed and obsessed that they have to do all things with ONE SINGLE COMPUTER. No! Having a multiple computer setup makes me ultra-productive and able to handle anything that my diverse clientele throws at me. The KVM solution enables me to sit in front of one monitor and flip between all four constantly, it’s a very uncomplicated simple setup yet with tons of power.

So, glad you like your G5! But really, it’s pre-Intel and really only suited for sub-use. But I’m sure you can find a sub-use that really works for you. Don’t, don’t except it to run software that was designed to go along with the times, like Xojo. Don’t pretend it’s modern - instead, make it work best in the contexts it was designed for.