New design: toolbar comparisons

Targets macOS
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I just installed Yosemite in VMWare Fusion in order to have a look at the new design.

In one of my apps I am using MBS Cocoa plugins for a toolbar on OSX. This toolbar adjusts to the new design automatically, so I probably will not have to redesign it.

Here a comparison with the new finder toolbar look.

Finder:

Finder on Mavericks:

Seminar Pro:

Seminar Pro on Mavericks:

However, I do not yet get any kind of ‘warm and cozy’ feeling, looking at the new design…

(the pictures get somewhat distorted here on the forum)

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The change is similar to iOS7 versus previous versions. I agree that I like the warmer design of Mavericks much better than what you are showing from Yosemite, but “they” say that the younger generation likes the stark design better. Guess they didn’t ask old codgers like me. (or, more accurately, don’t give a s**t what I think)

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Simply put, I hate the new design. Unfortunately, they didn’t ask anyone outside of Apple what we thought. That flat appearance harkens back to the early Atari ST and Amiga Workbench 1.0 looks - so 1985…

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I was / am curious if the developer can decide if the traffic light buttons appear on the toolbar, or above it as normal??

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It is amazing to see how phone interface design seem to pollute the desktop UI, both in Windows and now OS X :frowning:

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I actually like the new UI, EXCEPT for the pale blue folders - YUK!

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On OS X you could probably hack around enough to make the window draw however you wanted BUT it’s not usually easy
Apple tends to make it easy to do “the standard stuff that everyone expects” and a pile more work to do something unusual (like moving the gumdrops around)
In some ways this is a very good things and why you mostly get “the right look” for free if you use standard controls

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In the WWDC video - there were windows with the traffic lights on the actual toolbar - therefore, I was just curious to know if Developers could chose to do that in their apps.

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that requires doing things that in Xojo are likely more difficult to accomplish

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I didn’t like iOS 7 initially, although it has grown on me. But Yosemite looks great from day one, IMO. I was very worried about what they were going to do with it, but they nailed it.

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I have a sneaking suspicion that it may not be as hard as one thinks… I asked this question day 1 on the developer forums, but all my questions were lost in the tsunami of “I just destroyed my machine and didn’t backup, there has to be a way to un-instal”.

I don’t have the opportunity to try this, but I have a suspicion that it may be related to “Unified Title And Toolbar”, which is just a check box option in Xcode.

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If anyone is willing to have a go, I think it should be something like the below. Please this in the open event of the window.

[code] const NSUnifiedTitleAndToolbarWindowMask = 4096
declare function styleMask lib “AppKit” selector “styleMask” ( handle as integer ) as integer
declare sub setStyleMask lib “AppKit” selector “setStyleMask:” ( handle as integer, styleMask as integer )

setStyleMask( me.handle, styleMask( me.handle ) + NSUnifiedTitleAndToolbarWindowMask )[/code]

But I don’t have 10.10 set up at the moment.

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[quote=96270:@Sam Rowlands]If anyone is willing to have a go, I think it should be something like the below. Please this in the open event of the window.

[code] const NSUnifiedTitleAndToolbarWindowMask = 4096
declare function styleMask lib “AppKit” selector “styleMask” ( handle as integer ) as integer
declare sub setStyleMask lib “AppKit” selector “setStyleMask:” ( handle as integer, styleMask as integer )

setStyleMask( me.handle, styleMask( me.handle ) + NSUnifiedTitleAndToolbarWindowMask )[/code]

But I don’t have 10.10 set up at the moment.[/quote]

I don’t think this will accomplish what you want.

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If you don’t like how Yosemite looks, I would encourage you to file a radar saying why you don’t like it. Apple looks at these complaints in aggregate, so duplicates aren’t a bad thing.

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Damn, I was hoping we wouldn’t have to mess with NSThemeFrame or anything else to get this new Title & Toolbar combined thing.[quote=96272:@Joe Ranieri]If you don’t like how Yosemite looks, I would encourage you to file a radar saying why you don’t like it. Apple looks at these complaints in aggregate, so duplicates aren’t a bad thing.[/quote]
Maybe I need to spend some time with it then, and then possibly files some Radars. I’m not impressed with the screen shots so far. I really dislike the cartoon feel it’s now adopted. Somehow it doesn’t seem so elegant as iOS, to me anyway.

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This suggests it might be easy
https://twitter.com/stroughtonsmith/status/473794506874449920/photo/1

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Definitely spend a day or two using it before filing radars. Some of it I initially thought I’d hate and now like, some of it I still abhor and will file radars on.

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Re: the thought/complaint that everything has to look like a mobile phone…

I understand that money determines everything and the money in the phone market rivals several large world economies, but one wonders if there isn’t some better reason for the redesign. Perhaps in the near future we’ll stop using mice and start using our fingers and gestures for everything.

Guess I’ll have to stop eating chocolate with my hands while I’m coding.

(My vote: I hate the 2D minimalistic look, on this and on Win8. Booooring. But I do like it on a gesture-controlled device, it makes it more clear where you place your finger.)