I know Ventura is pre-release, but every Desktop app I run in Ventura, even the examples, quits on launch. I’m just wondering why this might be.
Every so often it might stay running, but dies on the most simple of lines, or totally ignores all Break points.
If I remote launch into a Big Sur VM running on Ventura, the app launches and debugs just fine. Building and running the same Desktop apps work OK. Web apps and iOS apps also run OK.
Is there anything I might try to fix this?
What version are you building with. I think there are quite a few issues relating to Ventura solved in an upcoming version.
I’m running the latest Ventura beta 8. It has been the same issue for me with all betas.
Sorry, what version of Xojo?
The latest test version 2022 R3 Build 58045, but again it has been all versions of Xojo since I moved to Ventura, even non-test versions.
I seem to remember some people saying that macOS Ventura beta 8 solved a lot of issues. I’m assuming a blank project has the same issue. I can’t try Ventura at the moment as I don’t have a space machine I can throw it at. I need a working version of Xojo at the moment.
Ventura has nice crashes and odd behaviour. Crashing at start is not a problem.
I found this crash yesterday:
Thread 0 Crashed:: Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread
0 XojoFramework 0x105556c94 VariantHash + 148
1 XojoFramework 0x10543b070 Dictionary::SetValue(VariantObject*, VariantObject*) + 228
2 XojoFramework 0x10543b070 Dictionary::SetValue(VariantObject*, VariantObject*) + 228
Seems to be fixed in the latest Xojo beta.
Can you post your crash log?
If we’re talking beta should it be in the beta thread?
We are talking about Ventura.
The Tester thread is for Xojo beta, not Ventura beta!
Just fyi
I have been running MBS’s SQL > SQLDatabaseMBS SQLite Connect example and it gives the following crash log:
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Translated Report (Full Report Below)
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Process: SQLDatabaseMBS SQLite Connect.debug [18551]
Path: /Applications/Xojo Plugins (uninstalled)/*/SQLDatabaseMBS SQLite Connect.debug.app/Contents/MacOS/SQLDatabaseMBS SQLite Connect.debug
Identifier: SQLDatabaseMBS SQLite Connect.debug
Version: ???
Code Type: X86-64 (Native)
Parent Process: launchd [1]
User ID: 501
Date/Time: 2022-09-30 13:34:16.9499 +0100
OS Version: macOS 13.0 (22A5358e)
Report Version: 12
Bridge OS Version: 7.0 (20P50392d)
Anonymous UUID: DBCA1906-467D-C0F2-EA40-8DE4F59BFCC6
Sleep/Wake UUID: 9043DE53-35F2-4381-9136-3F208630F01E
Time Awake Since Boot: 70000 seconds
Time Since Wake: 23557 seconds
System Integrity Protection: enabled
Crashed Thread: 0 Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread
Exception Type: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGSEGV)
Exception Codes: KERN_INVALID_ADDRESS at 0x00007ff880c100a8
Exception Codes: 0x0000000000000001, 0x00007ff880c100a8
Termination Reason: Namespace SIGNAL, Code 11 Segmentation fault: 11
Terminating Process: exc handler [18551]
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Thread 4:
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Logical CPU: 6
Error Code: 0x00000004 (no mapping for user data read)
Trap Number: 14
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This is deep in the bowels of the debugger.
Can you describe when those crashes happen? You say above that remote debugging works fine. In the next sentence you say that building and running desktop apps also works okay.
If I Build a Desktop app on Ventura then double-click it on Ventura, it runs OK on Ventura.
If I Debug a Desktop app on Ventura then it crashes on Ventura. I can see the built debug app in the Dock. It bounces once then stops.
If I Debug a Desktop app on a remote macOS VM (eg Big Sur) with Ventura as the Host OS and Big Sur as the Guest OS then it runs and debugs line by line as normal.
Thanks for the explanation. That fits to the crash log where the debugger is hosed.
Have you done the needful like restarting the computer and reinstalling Xojo? Does the crash also show up without plugins? Have you tried to disable WiFi (just a wild guess)?
Restarting: yes, daily
Reinstalling Xojo: only with new betas, but I keep old release versions too
Without plugins: good suggestion, but MBS will complain
Disable WiFi: not yet, but I’ll try it!