Every Desktop app quits on launch in Ventura

I know Ventura is pre-release, but every Desktop app I run in Ventura, even the examples, quits on launch. I’m just wondering why this might be.

Every so often it might stay running, but dies on the most simple of lines, or totally ignores all Break points.

If I remote launch into a Big Sur VM running on Ventura, the app launches and debugs just fine. Building and running the same Desktop apps work OK. Web apps and iOS apps also run OK.

Is there anything I might try to fix this?

What version are you building with. I think there are quite a few issues relating to Ventura solved in an upcoming version.

I’m running the latest Ventura beta 8. It has been the same issue for me with all betas.

Sorry, what version of Xojo?

The latest test version 2022 R3 Build 58045, but again it has been all versions of Xojo since I moved to Ventura, even non-test versions.

I seem to remember some people saying that macOS Ventura beta 8 solved a lot of issues. I’m assuming a blank project has the same issue. I can’t try Ventura at the moment as I don’t have a space machine I can throw it at. I need a working version of Xojo at the moment.

Ventura has nice crashes and odd behaviour. Crashing at start is not a problem.

I found this crash yesterday:

Thread 0 Crashed:: Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread
0 XojoFramework 0x105556c94 VariantHash + 148
1 XojoFramework 0x10543b070 Dictionary::SetValue(VariantObject*, VariantObject*) + 228
2 XojoFramework 0x10543b070 Dictionary::SetValue(VariantObject*, VariantObject*) + 228

Seems to be fixed in the latest Xojo beta.

Can you post your crash log?

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If we’re talking beta should it be in the beta thread?

We are talking about Ventura.

The Tester thread is for Xojo beta, not Ventura beta!

Just fyi

I have been running MBS’s SQL > SQLDatabaseMBS SQLite Connect example and it gives the following crash log:

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Translated Report (Full Report Below)
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Process:               SQLDatabaseMBS SQLite Connect.debug [18551]
Path:                  /Applications/Xojo Plugins (uninstalled)/*/SQLDatabaseMBS SQLite Connect.debug.app/Contents/MacOS/SQLDatabaseMBS SQLite Connect.debug
Identifier:            SQLDatabaseMBS SQLite Connect.debug
Version:               ???
Code Type:             X86-64 (Native)
Parent Process:        launchd [1]
User ID:               501

Date/Time:             2022-09-30 13:34:16.9499 +0100
OS Version:            macOS 13.0 (22A5358e)
Report Version:        12
Bridge OS Version:     7.0 (20P50392d)
Anonymous UUID:        DBCA1906-467D-C0F2-EA40-8DE4F59BFCC6

Sleep/Wake UUID:       9043DE53-35F2-4381-9136-3F208630F01E

Time Awake Since Boot: 70000 seconds
Time Since Wake:       23557 seconds

System Integrity Protection: enabled

Crashed Thread:        0  Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread

Exception Type:        EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGSEGV)
Exception Codes:       KERN_INVALID_ADDRESS at 0x00007ff880c100a8
Exception Codes:       0x0000000000000001, 0x00007ff880c100a8

Termination Reason:    Namespace SIGNAL, Code 11 Segmentation fault: 11
Terminating Process:   exc handler [18551]

VM Region Info: 0x7ff880c100a8 is not in any region.  Bytes after previous region: 555659433  Bytes before following region: 452071256
      REGION TYPE                    START - END         [ VSIZE] PRT/MAX SHRMOD  REGION DETAIL
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--->  GAP OF 0x3c10c000 BYTES
      __LINKEDIT               7ff89bb31000-7ff8a706d000 [181.2M] r--/r-- SM=COW  ...ed __LINKEDIT

Thread 0 Crashed::  Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread
0   XojoFramework                 	       0x10b4dd132 DecodeMachOTraceback(void const*, std::__1::basic_string<char, std::__1::char_traits<char>, std::__1::allocator<char> >&, unsigned long*) + 590
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2   XojoFramework                 	       0x10b5d841d 0x10b31c000 + 2868253
3   XojoFramework                 	       0x10b5d83d5 StackContext::Crawl(StackBounds, std::__1::function<bool (long, long)>) const + 125
4   XojoFramework                 	       0x10b4ba19f 0x10b31c000 + 1696159
5   XojoFramework                 	       0x10b4b7b05 DSDelegate::DebuggerConnectionMessage(DebuggerPacketParser const&) + 17
6   XojoFramework                 	       0x10b4b5ecd DebuggerConnection::ProcessMessage(std::__1::basic_string<char, std::__1::char_traits<char>, std::__1::allocator<char> >) + 67
7   XojoFramework                 	       0x10b5882c8 TCPSocketConnection::SocketDataReceived(TCPSocket*) + 328
8   XojoFramework                 	       0x10b43a74d TCPSocket::FireEvents() + 123
9   XojoFramework                 	       0x10b437554 TCPSocketPosix::Poll() + 1114
10  XojoFramework                 	       0x10b4bebdd 0x10b31c000 + 1715165
11  XojoFramework                 	       0x10b4bea58 DebuggerHook + 717
12  SQLDatabaseMBS SQLite Connect.debug	       0x10a58c6aa App.Event_Open%%o<App> + 394 (/App:6)
13  XojoFramework                 	       0x10b3fc980 CocoaFinishApplicationStartup() + 166
14  XojoFramework                 	       0x10b3fb612 0x10b31c000 + 914962
15  CoreFoundation                	    0x7ff81bfcc464 __CFNOTIFICATIONCENTER_IS_CALLING_OUT_TO_AN_OBSERVER__ + 137
16  CoreFoundation                	    0x7ff81c06649a ___CFXRegistrationPost_block_invoke + 88
17  CoreFoundation                	    0x7ff81c0663e9 _CFXRegistrationPost + 536
18  CoreFoundation                	    0x7ff81bf9f9a9 _CFXNotificationPost + 735
19  Foundation                    	    0x7ff81cdd723c -[NSNotificationCenter postNotificationName:object:userInfo:] + 82
20  AppKit                        	    0x7ff81f0fc747 -[NSApplication _postDidFinishNotification] + 305
21  AppKit                        	    0x7ff81f0fc499 -[NSApplication _sendFinishLaunchingNotification] + 208
22  AppKit                        	    0x7ff81f0f4dfb _DPSNextEvent + 1929
23  AppKit                        	    0x7ff81f0f3880 -[NSApplication(NSEvent) _nextEventMatchingEventMask:untilDate:inMode:dequeue:] + 1219
24  XojoFramework                 	       0x10b3fd1cb 0x10b31c000 + 922059
25  XojoFramework                 	       0x10b3fd20f 0x10b31c000 + 922127
26  SQLDatabaseMBS SQLite Connect.debug	       0x10a45fec5 Application._CallFunctionWithExceptionHandling%%o<Application>p + 181
27  XojoFramework                 	       0x10b587403 CallFunctionWithExceptionHandling(void (*)()) + 254
28  XojoFramework                 	       0x10b3fd181 0x10b31c000 + 921985
29  AppKit                        	    0x7ff81f0e5ec2 -[NSApplication run] + 586
30  XojoFramework                 	       0x10b585d1c RuntimeRun + 44
31  SQLDatabaseMBS SQLite Connect.debug	       0x10a4c6dd3 REALbasic._RuntimeRun + 19
32  SQLDatabaseMBS SQLite Connect.debug	       0x10a59842e _Main + 846 (/#main:106)
33  SQLDatabaseMBS SQLite Connect.debug	       0x10a597853 main + 19
34  dyld                          	    0x7ff81bbcb310 start + 2432

Thread 1:
0   libsystem_pthread.dylib       	    0x7ff81bef7c58 start_wqthread + 0

Thread 2:
0   libsystem_pthread.dylib       	    0x7ff81bef7c58 start_wqthread + 0

Thread 3:
0   libsystem_pthread.dylib       	    0x7ff81bef7c58 start_wqthread + 0

Thread 4:
0   libsystem_pthread.dylib       	    0x7ff81bef7c58 start_wqthread + 0


Thread 0 crashed with X86 Thread State (64-bit):
  rax: 0x00007ff880000000  rbx: 0x00007ff880c100a8  rcx: 0x00007ff81bbc5820  rdx: 0x0000000000000103
  rdi: 0x000000010a776c90  rsi: 0x0000000000000008  rbp: 0x00007ff7b5d76550  rsp: 0x00007ff7b5d763b0
   r8: 0x0000000000000200   r9: 0x00007ff81bb313c0  r10: 0x0000000000000000  r11: 0x0000000000000005
  r12: 0x00007ff81bbc5640  r13: 0x00007ff7b5d76410  r14: 0x00007ff800094000  r15: 0x00007ff880c10f50
  rip: 0x000000010b4dd132  rfl: 0x0000000000010283  cr2: 0x00007ff880c100a8
  
Logical CPU:     6
Error Code:      0x00000004 (no mapping for user data read)
Trap Number:     14

Thread 0 instruction stream:
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  89 c6 49 8b 44 24 18 4c-01 f0 48 8b 4d b8 8b 59  ..I.D$.L..H.M..Y
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 [8a]03 84 c0 74 41 0f b6-c8 48 ff c3 89 c8 83 e0  ....tA...H......	<==
  7f 84 c9 79 1f b9 07 00-00 00 0f b6 13 48 ff c3  ...y.........H..
  89 d6 83 e6 7f d3 e6 48-63 f6 48 09 f0 83 c1 07  .......Hc.H.....
  84 d2 78 e6 49 01 c6 4c-89 ef 4c 89 f6 ff 95 d0  ..x.I..L..L.....
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  18 00 4c 8b 6d b0 0f 84-8b 00 00 00 48 8b 85 30  ..L.m.......H..0

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               0x0 - 0xffffffffffffffff ??? (*) <00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000> ???

External Modification Summary:
  Calls made by other processes targeting this process:
    task_for_pid: 0
    thread_create: 0
    thread_set_state: 0
  Calls made by this process:
    task_for_pid: 0
    thread_create: 0
    thread_set_state: 0
  Calls made by all processes on this machine:
    task_for_pid: 0
    thread_create: 0
    thread_set_state: 0

VM Region Summary:
ReadOnly portion of Libraries: Total=757.0M resident=0K(0%) swapped_out_or_unallocated=757.0M(100%)
Writable regions: Total=1.5G written=0K(0%) resident=0K(0%) swapped_out=0K(0%) unallocated=1.5G(100%)

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STACK GUARD                       56.0M        5 
Stack                             10.0M        5 
VM_ALLOCATE                         80K       18 
__CTF                               756        1 
__DATA                            31.8M      541 
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__DATA_DIRTY                      1745K      206 
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__XOJO                              24K        1 
dyld private memory                512K        3 
mapped file                       79.6M       19 
shared memory                      836K       27 
===========                     =======  ======= 
TOTAL                              2.5G     1850 
TOTAL, minus reserved VM space     1.3G     1850 



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Full Report
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This is deep in the bowels of the debugger.

Can you describe when those crashes happen? You say above that remote debugging works fine. In the next sentence you say that building and running desktop apps also works okay.

If I Build a Desktop app on Ventura then double-click it on Ventura, it runs OK on Ventura.

If I Debug a Desktop app on Ventura then it crashes on Ventura. I can see the built debug app in the Dock. It bounces once then stops.

If I Debug a Desktop app on a remote macOS VM (eg Big Sur) with Ventura as the Host OS and Big Sur as the Guest OS then it runs and debugs line by line as normal.

Thanks for the explanation. That fits to the crash log where the debugger is hosed.

Have you done the needful like restarting the computer and reinstalling Xojo? Does the crash also show up without plugins? Have you tried to disable WiFi (just a wild guess)?

Restarting: yes, daily
Reinstalling Xojo: only with new betas, but I keep old release versions too
Without plugins: good suggestion, but MBS will complain
Disable WiFi: not yet, but I’ll try it!