[quote=157611:@Tunghua TAi]Please let me explain my situation, our team is in the stage to choose a web developing tool, my other team member suggest to use “HTML5+CSS3+React.js+Loopback+Node.js+MongoDB”, so many things to learn, it may take me one year only to learn these technology but doing nothing. Thus I suggest to use Xojo, learn only one language one tool that can compile and run everywhere “native”.[/quote]Have you considered Qooxdoo? You avoid HTML and CSS on the client side and it integrates with Node.js on the server side, all your coding is done in JavaScript. It’s a mature product that’s backed by 1and1 so it’s not going to stagnate like some open source projects do.
I understand why you like the idea of Xojo Web Edition, I do to, but the way it’s implemented just makes me fear it’s a choking hazard.
That other team member is probably selling his own engineering skills more than anything. Leading the choice to his side will win him a competitive advantage, while you and the others will have to bow to his mastery.
I already posted it, but I really think you should not put all your eggs in the same basket. It is extremely easy to create web sites using simply HTML5+Css and you can find Wysiwig applications that will let you design elaborate pages in no time at all, and when needed, you can find quite a bit of information on both HTML5 and Css at w3schools.com . Then for complex apps that require desktop-like interaction, Xojo can be mixed with that and provide the best in matter of web app.
In another thread you mentioned WordPress. I have played with WordPress as well. It is a very nice standard blog solution, and I found it to be extremely friendly when it comes to adding articles and new posts to a pre-set layout.Bob Keeney has mentioned he did some projects mixing WordPress with Xojo. That is a good reference.
Xojo will replace by itself React.js+Loopback+Node.js+MongoDB, without the ridiculous learning curve that all these disparate tools would imply.
[quote=157677:@Michel Bujardet]One should note that 1and1 offers no technical support whatsoever.[/quote]Developers are active in the forum though, particularly the framework architect and tech lead Martin Wittemann.
They also have a comprehensive online API reference and some examples where you can see app and code side by side.
[quote=157715:@Steve Wilson]Developers are active in the forum though, particularly the framework architect and tech lead Martin Wittemann.
They also have a comprehensive online API reference and some examples where you can see app and code side by side.[/quote]
Any company that blatantly tells customer they provide no support is at the minimum telling you you are on your own if anything goes wrong. No matter the community support, nobody should be subjected to such a sloppy policy. Especially when it comes to servers and web apps, which cannot tolerate any downtime.
No matter the theoretical advantages of software, if it comes with no guarantee, it is a hazard I am not going to deal with.
Xojo may not the alpha and omega, but they have an excellent community support here, with Greg O’Lone among others. And as far as hosting is concerned, I rather go for Xojo Cloud or 1701Software.com which both outstanding service is light years ahead of el cheapo 1and1.
We regularly add new case studies to our website. As you can imagine, most have been desktop applications because that’s what we have been supporting for the longest period of time. However, we regularly hear about users building web apps. I’m sure if you ask, you can find many users doing this.
In terms of load, as Phillip pointed out, Xojo web apps can handle a similar load, per app instance, as just about any other web app technology.
[quote=157716:@Michel Bujardet]Any company that blatantly tells customer they provide no support is at the minimum telling you you are on your own if anything goes wrong. No matter the community support, nobody should be subjected to such a sloppy policy.[/quote]It’s a free, open source project, of course they’re not going to come round your house and hold your hand if you can’t work it properly. The documentation and community support are good enough.
[quote=157716:@Michel Bujardet]And as far as hosting is concerned, I rather go for Xojo Cloud or 1701Software.com which both outstanding service is light years ahead of el cheapo 1and1.[/quote]I’ve used 1and1 for years, both as a web host and for virtual servers and I’ve never had a problem with their service. The fact they’re ‘el cheapo’ makes me even happier.
My wife loves wine. I hate the stuff.
Its opinions about whats sufficient, adequate & appropriate.
What works for you may not work well for someone else and they’re entitled to believe they need more/less/whatever.
Because something is free and open source does not make it better. Especially if proponents of the said project adopt a snide attitude against anybody who needs assistance. That is all the difference between Stack Overflow and the Xojo forum. That is all the difference between no support, and a professional language such as Xojo, with a professional team who provides excellent support to customers. Suggesting solutions because they are technically interesting is one thing, warning someone who is asking for advice to choose a tool about potential downsides is just as needed.
I do have an issue with a hosting company that refuses to give any service. It is unacceptable for any serious business, IMO. Now it is fine if you can live with substandard stuff that suits your budget. Low cost is low cost. No sweat.
Bad example though. You can submit a quote request form and get a ‘Thanks for Submitting’ with completely blank form fields, the form which is also submitted over http rather than https.
@Geoff: How do you think about this: To name specifications for Xojo Feedback or Forum and let the community develop an Xojo based forum and feedback solutions. Self-Moderated or Monitored by Xojo staff so far that it doesnt hurt your development (and wallet) too much. One time per year (at XDC?) one or some of the most contributors will be honored for their engagement with free one year license for Pro License or something else.
This move could effect in two ways: Xojo Inc gets an Forum und Feedback System. The ones calling for more Open Source Engagement will get the chance to bring themself in. The Community would also get benefit of en Open Source High capable Forum/ Feedback Software.
@Tomas Jakobs, I think this is great idea, not only for this forum system, like ROR community they have so many gems developed by community, a new developer can easily assemble several gems to make a big system, we can do so too, shopping cart, blog system, member management, connect to Facebook API, connect to twitter API, connect to Paypal API…etc, we can have so many project that we develop together by community and put it on github, Xojo office only have to pick the best contributors to award them, I believe a lot of developer is willing to share their work.
I guess if they used Xojo for a web version of Feedback. They would not be able to get the same kind of system informations from your computer as they do when running locally on your computer
Maybe - it was merely an example though. It would just be nice to see Xojo Inc using it for something external, not just a single demo app.
However, I disagree that it would be a good project to rewrite the forum using Xojo, it’s not ideal for forum software at all. But it could certainly be used for our accounts pages or the ordering process etc. Something!
[quote=158027:@Gavin Smith]Maybe - it was merely an example though. It would just be nice to see Xojo Inc using it for something external, not just a single demo app.
However, I disagree that it would be a good project to rewrite the forum using Xojo, it’s not ideal for forum software at all. But it could certainly be used for our accounts pages or the ordering process etc. Something![/quote]
See, I disgree. Those processes should seamlessly meld into the website. They should match the style and user experience. A WE app in these cases would feel tacked on, like a Java or Flash applet would.