Can Xojo please put attention on improving Mac applications built with Xojo

Of course, each has his job in a company. But I was only referring to those who effectively contribute to the development/coding of the Xojo framework. Therein lies the productive problem mentioned above. Not the e.g. administrative and managerial tasks.

It was certainly not meant to be derogatory to you, your sister or Geoff. If it came across that way, my sincere apologies.

I’m not sure if you actually think Dana and Alyssa are sisters and Geoff’s daughters or if you’re just trying to be insulting. The three are in no way related and Dana and Alyssa contribute greatly to Xojo.

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Did you read my last reply? Nope… you didn’t.

This forum is an inclusive place, it is not a place to bash or belittle the employees of Xojo or other members of the forum. The topic is now closed.

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I’ve talked privately to Jeffrey and we have cleared up the misunderstanding, I will reopen this topic. However, my previous message about not bashing/belittling Xojo employees or other members of the forum still stands - don’t do it.

We take a lot of pride in our work and try to keep an eye on these discussions so we can address concerns and learn about pain points. Our annual developer survey will be coming out this week and I encourage you to put this feedback on there if it is a priority for you.

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Where will the survey be published?

The survey is usually emailed out. Often linked here. The results are not usually made available. In any detail.

The survey will be emailed out to those opted in to receive our emails this week.

In the past we have done a summary blog post and will likely do the same this time.

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Funny (sad really), the question “How do you use Xojo?” doesn’t even have a choice that covers my use case, which provides over half my income :frowning:

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There’s a feedback opportunity then :smile:

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There’s no question for “How could this survey be improved?” :slight_smile:

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The last question is for any general comments. However, I have noted your feedback for the future.

Let’s get this back on topic. If you have survey questions please contact me or start a new topic.

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I’m down for mailshots but can’t recall seeing any for some time.
I’ve used the contact form to add a different email to see what happens.

You need to define what you mean by “Good (UX/UI) design”.

What Gen Z thinks of as “good design” vs what old-school types like me think of as good design are clearly totally different.

I have job to do. I want apps that do what i want, with minimum fuss, and don’t shove unnecessary distractions in the way (notably dialog boxes and prompts).

I’m not interested in ritzy graphics in wild purple.

The latest offender being Microsoft Windows again, and its persistent efforts to shove a “feed” in my face which I didn’t ask for.

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Good UI/UX design is :

  • a design and user flow removing user frustrations (for the majority of users)
  • a design creating a delightful user experience creating positive feelings as we are humans
  • an UI that is clean and modern, supporting accessibility features
  • a design creating user engagement (people return to the app)

Bad design is when :

  • you design a product for yourself only (the most common mistake)
  • using old library of UI components (better wow factor with modern components and styles)
  • not making the design accessible, color contrast issues most of the time
  • majority of users getting negative perception not giving a second try to the app
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This for me is the problem. “Modern” means you assume that what’s come before must be replaced simply because it’s not new, regardless of how good it was or whether what you’re replacing it with is actually better. And “Clean” seems to have come to mean removal of elements of past UIs that actually made them more usable, like the three-dimensionality that offers visual cues as to whether or not a button is pressed. The universal move to flat, two-dimensional elements with the faintest definition might satisfy some art student’s idea of modernity, but it sure doesn’t make it more usable imo.

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Modern mean 2023 feelings. A lot of American developers are still using UI kits from 2000. in Europe, they mostly use 2020+ UI kits and also in China. Again, we are in 2023, not in 1970.

Ant Design System is one of the best UI/UX kit, made in China.

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That is the difference beetween a tool for personal use an a public app, in the first one, it only matters your opinion, in the second one, you need to put the finbal user first and do what they need/use/improve their work even if you dont like it.

(It is obvios that not all the users want the exact same thing but there are trends and consensus of what the majority wants/needs/want to use)