you might have solved the advent puzzle of the day 
Thank you for your help with this @Greg_O - it’s very insightful.
I will try to implement those declares (currently the control is busted as I’m in its guts adding some new items).
That’s a great thought but I’m also using a mouse. Although I’m on a MacBook Pro in clamshell mode so it’s possible that Apple considers a trackpad accessible?
It doesn’t. That’s how I run my machine and in automatic mode, I always have scroll bars too.
I have never changed the setting and just checked that mine is also in automatic. I only ever see scroll bars when scrolling.
I’m running macOS 13.1
Well… maybe it’s a Ventura thing. Yet another thing to “look forward to”
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I bet PhilipP isn‘t using an Apple/Magic mouse.
nope wired logitech and bluetooth logitech
but i don’t understand, am i the only one to see scroll bars there ?? !!
I am using an apple Magic Mouse as you assume.
I’m hoping to be able to spend some time looking at this tomorrow - I’ll plug in a USB mouse and see if I can reproduce the issue.
No, i am seeing them too. My setup is with a non-retina screen and a wired mouse - if that helps to find the reason for this behaviour….
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I’m struggling to reproduce this scrolling behaviour. I’m not disputing that you are experiencing it but I cannot reproduce it.
I am running macOS 13.0.1 on an M1 Pro MacBook Pro with in clamshell mode with an external studio display and an external 1080p standard def monitor. I have plugged in an Alienware USB mouse and have the same mouse scrolling settings as you guys do but I only see scroll bars when I attempt to scroll.
Not sure how to fix this if I can’t reproduce the issue.
Example project on MacBook Air with Ventura 13.1, HiDPI screen, no mouse, scrollbars set to show always:
Should the horizontal scrollbar show?
Not sure why the horizontal bar is showing, that’s odd. I’ll investigate.
I can get the bars to show when set to always (that’s expected). What I’m struggling to reproduce is why they show when set to automatic.
Maybe this is a 13.1 issue?
What happens @Beatrix_Willius if you go to system settings and change the scroll bars to automatic?
Thank you everyone for helping with this scrollbar issue. I think I have finally fixed it and it’ll be part of release 2.1 that I’m currently working on:
macOS always show scrollbars:
macOS automatically show scrollbars:
You’ll notice the horizontal scrollbar is also gone.
There were two issues:
- I wasn’t checking for legacy scrollbars. Now it does and if visible the available drawing width is reduced so the scrollbars don’t overlay the content (thanks @Martin_T)
- I was computing the available width wrong so horizontal scrollbars were always being drawn.
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