blue pushbutton outlines missing

  1. 5 months ago

    Bill D

    May 15 Pre-Release Testers Somewhere in the void

    Hi all. Like the title says...I have a window with several pushbuttons on it, yet only one has the blue outline. I've check the settings on each one, and they're all identical:
    default on
    cancel off
    enabled on
    visible on
    autodeactivate on
    buttonstyle pushbutton
    transparent off

    It's a small thing, but I like the blue outline. Any help would be most appreciated. :)

    @Michel B Whatever you say. The Windows standard is that only one button can be selected, and have the blue outline. It is a navigation system. Windows can be used with the keyword only. By using Tab, the user can select which button to push by pressing Enter, or check/uncheck the check boxes.

    This has been standard since Windows 1, back in 1985.

    But hey, who am I to know ?

    no need for the sarcasm. this is honestly the 1st time I've seen this behavior. maybe my other apps are buggy somehow, maybe my system is buggy...or any of a million other possibilities. I know what I've seen. I always appreciate your help, but I can do without being belittled.

  2. Dave S

    May 15 San Diego, California USA
    Edited 5 months ago

    I just dropped two "default" buttons, and they have the exact attributes you mentioned, and both are "blue"
    you said "outline".... they are "solid" blue, not outlined.... I'm on macOS

    normally you should only have ONE default button.......

  3. Tanner L

    is not verified May 15 Pre-Release Testers Toronto, Canada

    @Bill D Do you mean the focus ring?

  4. Dave S

    May 15 San Diego, California USA

    Buttons don't have focus rings

  5. Tanner L

    is not verified May 15 Pre-Release Testers Toronto, Canada

    They do on a Mac with Full Keyboard Access enabled.

  6. Michel B

    May 15 Pre-Release Testers RubberViews.com
    Edited 5 months ago

    They also do under Windows.

    @Bill D Hi all. Like the title says...I have a window with several pushbuttons on it, yet only one has the blue outline. I've check the settings on each one, and they're all identical:It's a small thing, but I like the blue outline. Any help would be most appreciated. :)

    The blue outline shows only when the button is selected. You can change button by pressing "Tab". Under Windows, when a button is selected that way, pressing Enter will validate it like if it where pushed.

  7. Bill D

    May 15 Pre-Release Testers Somewhere in the void
    Edited 5 months ago

    @Michel B They also do under Windows.

    The blue outline shows only when the button is selected. You can change button by pressing "Tab". Under Windows, when a button is selected that way, pressing Enter will validate it like if it where pushed.

    Thanks for the reply. But all my other apps have blue-outlined buttons all the time.

  8. Bill D

    May 15 Pre-Release Testers Somewhere in the void

    @Dave S I just dropped two "default" buttons, and they have the exact attributes you mentioned, and both are "blue"
    you said "outline".... they are "solid" blue, not outlined.... I'm on macOS

    normally you should only have ONE default button.......

    Thanks, Dave. I removed the default settings and still the same thing happens. None of my other windows have this issue.

  9. Emile S

    May 15 Europe (France, Strasbourg)

    Screen shot(s) please.

  10. Bill D

    May 15 Pre-Release Testers Somewhere in the void
    Edited 5 months ago

    This problem shows up in the xojo ide as well. Odd.
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  11. Michel B

    May 15 Pre-Release Testers RubberViews.com
    Edited 5 months ago

    @Bill D Thanks for the reply. But all my other apps have blue-outlined buttons all the time.

    Whatever you say. The Windows standard is that only one button can be selected, and have the blue outline. It is a navigation system. Windows can be used with the keyword only. By using Tab, the user can select which button to push by pressing Enter, or check/uncheck the check boxes.

    This has been standard since Windows 1, back in 1985.

    But hey, who am I to know ?

  12. Bill D

    May 15 Pre-Release Testers Answer Somewhere in the void

    @Michel B Whatever you say. The Windows standard is that only one button can be selected, and have the blue outline. It is a navigation system. Windows can be used with the keyword only. By using Tab, the user can select which button to push by pressing Enter, or check/uncheck the check boxes.

    This has been standard since Windows 1, back in 1985.

    But hey, who am I to know ?

    no need for the sarcasm. this is honestly the 1st time I've seen this behavior. maybe my other apps are buggy somehow, maybe my system is buggy...or any of a million other possibilities. I know what I've seen. I always appreciate your help, but I can do without being belittled.

  13. Tanner L

    is not verified May 15 Pre-Release Testers Toronto, Canada

    A screen shot comparing the two behaviors would help. Your screenshot looks perfectly normal. Does the focus ring move as you tab through the controls?

    I can't even create an example showing two buttons with focus rings on each (which makes sense to me...)

  14. Bill D

    May 15 Pre-Release Testers Somewhere in the void

    @Tanner L A screen shot comparing the two behaviors would help. Your screenshot looks perfectly normal. Does the focus ring move as you tab through the controls?

    I can't even create an example showing two buttons with focus rings on each (which makes sense to me...)

    I can't get the other screenshot because as I said, my app/system doesn't do the multiple outlines thing anymore. If that's how it's supposed to be, then I guess just chalk this up as a really stupid question. ;)

  15. Michel B

    May 15 Pre-Release Testers RubberViews.com
    Edited 5 months ago

    @Bill D no need for the sarcasm. this is honestly the 1st time I've seen this behavior. maybe my other apps are buggy somehow, maybe my system is buggy...or any of a million other possibilities. I know what I've seen. I always appreciate your help, but I can do without being belittled.

    I just reminded you what the blue outline is. Now, if any time someone takes the time to answer your questions you find a way to not like the answer, you do exactly what is required for all to run away when you ask anything.

    Ignoring now this ridiculous thread :/

  16. Louis D

    May 15 Pre-Release Testers, Xojo Pro Montreal, QC, Canada

    Bill, I concur with Michel's statement that only one button at a time can have the focus in Windows. The blue outline is the focus ring, so unless the UI is specifically tweaked, only one button can have the blue ring at a time. Here is a link that shows how to specifically draw a focus ring (potentially on a control that does not have the focus). Perhaps you did something similar in other applications? Whether this is a good idea is subject to discussion, best to be had over a good beer.

    That said, we all have our style. I have mine, Michel has his and you have your's. I would recommend (as a general rule for everyone, not just for you specifically) staying away from arguing over the !@#$% of angels, who is more right than the other, whether the grass is really greener here or there.) Regardless of style: mild, harsh, sarcastic - some find it funny, etc., answers are provided to help. Sometimes, we hit the bullseye and sometimes we are way off mark. Just take answers as attempts to help. Distill the factual information from the style.

  17. Bill D

    May 15 Pre-Release Testers Somewhere in the void

    @LouisDesjardins Bill, I concur with Michel's statement that only one button at a time can have the focus in Windows. The blue outline is the focus ring, so unless the UI is specifically tweaked, only one button can have the blue ring at a time. Here is a link that shows how to specifically draw a focus ring (potentially on a control that does not have the focus). Perhaps you did something similar in other applications? Whether this is a good idea is subject to discussion, best to be had over a good beer.

    That said, we all have our style. I have mine, Michel has his and you have your's. I would recommend (as a general rule for everyone, not just for you specifically) staying away from arguing over the !@#$% of angels, who is more right than the other, whether the grass is really greener here or there.) Regardless of style: mild, harsh, sarcastic - some find it funny, etc., answers are provided to help. Sometimes, we hit the bullseye and sometimes we are way off mark. Just take answers as attempts to help. Distill the factual information from the style.

    Point well made and fully accepted. Thanks for the attitude adjustment.

  18. shao s

    May 16 Pre-Release Testers Sudbury, Ontario, Canada

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  19. Bill D

    May 16 Pre-Release Testers Somewhere in the void

    @shao s -image-

    So right. I apologize for being such an ***hole.

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