This is all OT now. Could the rest of this be moved to Off-Topic?
What post will start the “This post derailed the conversation”? Post 2? After post 1, the rest of the conversation is not Off-Topic, it’s General, derived from the topic. Let it just go until the debates simply end. The OP message in post 1 was sent, and the OP did not get offended by the sea of derivative debates later, I think he thinks that his message was sent too.
Welp. This thread did not go in the direction I was hoping! 
Maybe I’ll try again.
Maybe in the Testing area? The next phase has already started.
You know, I am a little upset about the quality of 2020r1. I do feel terrible about many of the choices that were made. But it wasn’t until you pointed out the price that it made me actually quite happy with my purchase. It’s really not that expensive at all and for what Xojo does, it is fantastic.
CEOs want to get paid more and do less. 
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Not quite. A lot of the Android tablet devices are Amazon‘s Fire devices (at least in Germany), not general purpose ones.
That is simply not true. Companies can write software for iPads & iPhones and deploy them to their devices without the App store.
The companies I know moved away from Android when they had to start taking privacy seriously. A hospital I know banned all Android devices from their network.
Speak for yourself. I certainly never clamored for rapid releases, but functional releases.
Despite what „Lemsip“ advertisers tell you: if you are sick, stay at home in bed. Don‘t go into work and infect the rest of the team.
The same logic applies to features. Don‘t release features that are not well, wait until they are.
And that opinion goes back to at least 2001 …
Here in Germany Android is most used Tablet Device. So for me it will be not usable if xojo cannot be used for android tablets. The most used Tablet is not amazon fire. Most are Samsung tabs.
The privacy is the same if you use apple or android products, by the way. As far as I can see there are two major needs: iOS without local Mac capability and full fledged Android. That’s it in my opinion.
Cause both will be long term. I would beg for Web2.0 in a ready to use form As first. After I would hope for bugfixing in desktop and the IDE. After this steps arm 64Bit. After all the iOS and Android. Sorry but most app developer need Android and IOS for both: mobile phones and Tablets. So there would be a possible roadmap with a beta release for testing purposes and in the end a stable release for production.
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Perhaps I am making an overly broad statement - an unfounded assumption about what we “all” want. I should have said “many” of us clamor for rapid releases. Still, you misread the spirit of my message. I was only trying to acknowledge the Xojo team for their hard work and how difficult it must be to be under so much pressure when an undetermined number of developers are pressuring Xojo for estimated release dates. I base my opinions on what I hear at conferences and in the forums, and yes, even my own desires to see new features and bug fixes released on a regular schedule. I agree with you that stable releases are more important than frequent ones!
“We all want [fill in the blank]” is just a figure of speech. Like “we all want shiny new toys” or “we all want civil discourse” or “we all believe in human rights” or “we all care about the environment”. Of course ALL of us don’t want or believe these things. Next time I’ll try to be more precise when I comment in the forums 
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Aaron Schacht, it is not because of shiny toys we want. I want to get off the pressure from Xojo Team cause it is not really nice to be under this pressure.
This is the foundation for my way: one stable Release to support on. Why there will not be this way? I do not know. There is the need for this way. Cause than everybody of the users knows, that there is the stable release.
For the new technology there can early birds be released. Without stopping to support the stable release. This would mean: we would have still supporting for errors in 2019r3.x. So everybody can work with this Version for long term without the need for changes as well.
When new technology is ready to show, there can always be an early bird release or a Beta Release when its going on to build it up as the new stable major release.
So everybody has a long term to get used to new technologies and can do his job. The new technologies will be previewed. That’s why I really pray for this release system.
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Amen to that 
I quickly played with Web 2.00. It could indeed get more love.
But as an old time user, I still remember new releases that were not that polished. The latest being iOS. It lumped as a poor unfinished thing for some two years, before finally, Xojo resumed development for it.
I was severe enough for the state of iOS.
But Web 2.00 is not the only game in town. Web 1.00 is reasonably stable enough for most business development, where a cute UI is not a requisite. So one does not have to port applications under Web 2.00 immediately.
As a developer myself, I know how demanding users can be. They always want bug fixes right away, and the product is never good enough for some. I also know that no matter the desire to please, there are contingencies that will slow development, no matter what.
Should Xojo have waited a bit more to introduce a more polished version of Web 2.00 ? Perhaps. But there were enough voices already clamoring for the release of 2020R1, which was expected for Q1. Clearly, Xojo was caught between the hammer and the rock plate. If they released later, users would be furious to have paid for licenses and not get the new releases (already happening). They chose to release a tad prematurely, and they are going to be chastised for an half baked Web 2.00.
If I was Xojo, I would tend to put resources in Web 2.00 (80% complete to be honest, and not half), rather than to go back to Web 1.00. Greg time is limited, and he cannot course both the new hare and the old bag…
Well, I know none here. So if everybody here runs “pocket” banking systems without having their accounts wiped out, we certainly can do hospital systems. If a company really wants extra security, they can use extra secure Tablets, like Samsung, that uses their Knox hardware security layer and enterprise management systems.
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Android is why Xojo Web is indispensable to the Xojo portfolio. That is likely to be so for quite some time. We have found Web 1 works on quite low end $60 devices sold at supermarkets even.
Not any company. You must be an “Approved paying company”. Not a small/medium company. If you have 99 employees, even paying, you are out. “Eligibility” starts at 100.
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And as mentioned you need a MDM solution or something similar in place … that is often a price killer, even for large companies where paying for 100 developers doesn’t matter … 
As far as I know, I can’t write an iPad app, create the binary, and send to companies that have contract with me and they can deploy MY apps to their devices. They need at least to sign the app as theirs (maybe AppWrapper can trick this part, but it’s an unusual procedure, not sure even if possible), because Apple’s “enterprise program for large companies” is an authorization for using the companies’ in-house apps only, not from outsiders.
Correct, and the large companies need an approved deployment method to “their” mobile devices only, consequently the companies need a mobile device management tool in place …
There are lots of Web 1 apps with plenty of life in them yet which cannot migrate to Web2. So by all means rush out some patches for Web 2 To be workable with new projects. However there needs to be conversion tools and greater Web 2 maturity before many Web 1 projects can be successfully migrated.