Venture official available, good idea to update?

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I woke up with this notification this morning. Is it wise to update? I run Xojo 2022 r 2 on a M1 Max Mac Studio. Anyone already running it?

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If this is your development machine it may be a wise idea to wait for one or two updates for Ventura.
If you want to testdrive Ventura, get VirtualBuddy (GitHub - insidegui/VirtualBuddy: Virtualize macOS 12 and later on Apple Silicon) or any other VM Tool and install Ventura in a VM.

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You’d better wait for a .1 or .2 update from Apple to get the major bugs fixed.

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See Ventura and Xojo 2022R2 working fine for me - #6 by Trig_Charters1 .

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Thanks. I will wait some days to see if issues are popping up. I don’t want to get problems in the middle of a project in Xojo.

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I do advise to upgrade on one of your systems to test Xojo related issues (and there a couple).

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Install Ventura onto an external drive and boot from it periodically for testing. There’s no reason to upgrade unless you just really like shiny new things.

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I really want to do this, but I’ve heard horror stories of developers unintentionally installing into their main drive. I would absolutely dread having Ventura as a daily driver.

Any tips for not mucking it up?

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  1. If you’re using a newer machine, make sure you modify the security settings to allow booting from an external drive
  2. Unplug any unnecessary peripherals (including backup drives)
  3. Format the external drive as non-APFS (they’re not bootable as externals). Give it a name that’s drastically different than any of your other drives.
  4. Download the installer from the App Store instead of using the update mechanism.
  5. Run the updater and when you get to the screen that asks where to install it, click the link under your main drive for “more options” and choose the one you made in step 3
  6. Wait about an hour

I highly recommend that you use an SSD with a USB3 interface because it accesses the drive constantly while it’s running and is very slow otherwise (I used a mechanical drive the first time)

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Did that, but the Ventura installer won’t install to a drive that is not APFS.
I’m trying with an APFS formatted disc as I type, but I expect a lot of fuss to ensue.

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Well maybe that depends on the system that you’re on. I was using an Intel Mac mini and it told me that APFS was not acceptable.

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Eek

Excuse me while I recover


Downloaded the installer, stuck an external drive into my M2 macbook.
Formatted the external drive as APFS as requested, installed Ventura.
Unexpectedly, the machine restarted and booted from the external drive.
So far so good, even if I had expected to need to set some flags.

My plan was to use the drive on another Mac, so I plugged it into my other machine, chose it as the startup device, and it wouldn’t boot. (Intel/Arm/APFS
 who knows?)

Oh well, maybe back on the M2
So I switch the M2 on, and got a repeated startup chime, restart , chime, restart.
But no Monterey.

Huge cold sweat.
I did mange to get to an Options screen, and chose the internal drive, and finally managed to boot the M2 normally.
But that was scary
 :wink:

Apple
 just leave it alone, willya???

EDIT: It has broken my spare machine, which is now just showing
?? support.apple.com/mac/startup

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With APFS it’s very easy to create a separate volume on your internal hard drive, install Ventura to that for testing. Under APFS, the volumes share space, and there is no dangerous repartitioning step necessary.

Here’s what I did:

1. Download the Ventura Installer

2. Add new disk volume (you do not need to, nor should you, partition the disk):
Note: Adapted from How to create a macOS Ventura volume partition on your Mac

  • Open Disk Utility
  • Note: If you have View/Show all devices set, go back to View / Show Only Volumes first
  • From the left sidebar of Disk Utility, select your main APFS volume; in other words, your internal drive. It should say Macintosh HD or whatever you named it.
  • Click the Edit menu, and choose Add APFS Volume.
  • name it ‘Ventura’ or similar
  • format: select APFS
  • (optional) click Size Options and you can set minimum and max quotas. (In APFS, disk space is shared with your other volumes)
  • Click Add.
  • Once the volume is created, click Done and quit.

3. Install

  • Double-click the .pkg file you downloaded
  • Careful - make sure you click the Show All Disks button to select the other volume ‘Ventura’ to install onto.

Note: Boot Options

  • on Intel mac, you boot with Option key down to select boot volume
  • on M1 mac, you boot with Power key down to select boot volume
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Would it work on an USB flash drive?
The only USB hard disks I have at hand are mechanical, hence my question.

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One downside to testing Ventura in a VM is that some technologies (such as 3D Hardware Graphics Acceleration) may not work at all, or work normally inside a VM. But if you are just testing “normal” app features, it’s a fine idea.

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I’ve had limited success with flash drives and to be honest, they’re so slow, I wouldn’t expect Ventura to work well at all.

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@Mike_D , you are an absolute hero!
After wasting a whole day yesterday with external drives and an old machine (which proved to be too old for Ventura anyway), I gave this method a try this morning and Wow!
All done and dusted in 30 minutes.
My existing app (compiled with 2018) runs without issues, which was my main concern.
I haven’t tried Xojo itself yet, but obviously I still have the Monterey APFS volume as my main drive.

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What is (or where is) the Power Key on m1 machines ?
That key disappeared on the M1 MacBook Pro


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11 hours man, this is insane


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You need fiber broadband.

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Its the button at the top right of the keyboard. On my M2 machine, it is also the fingerprint sensor.