Mojave / APFS

I was able to install Mojave in an IDE (in an extenal 2.5" box) HD (It is now an APFS volume). Takes time to boot, then works fine (AFAIK).

Unfortunately, that HD is invisible from my El Capitan internl boot SSD.

I do not checked if HFS+ formated volumes (my archives) are visible from Mojave, but I suppose they are (confirmation, someone ?)

BTW: to simply install Mojave on that empty / formated HD tooks me one hour. And 60 minutes is a very long time when you are waiting !

I nearly forgot:
Xojo 2015r1 runs fine (limited testings).

iMessage and FaceTime (I think) were used during the installation. You need to have an Apple ID to install Mojave (and I do not talk about iCloud). Two Password…
Fortunately, nor an Apple Watch nor an iPhone was mandatory. :wink:

you need 10.12.6 to work with apfs volumes at least
or use the free paragon driver

Merci Jean-Yves.

I’m completely lost with these code name (El Capitan) and/or code number (10.11.6). Fortunately, About this Mac is here to help !

The Paragon page is noted as Legacy (Unavailable since August 2018).

thanks to webarchive :

but there may be a time limit in the software itself … :frowning:

Thanks, download is running…


Installed, a reboot is needed, but I cannot do that now. More info after the reboot (later).

For the record:

at boot time, minutes ago, I get this message:
Preview version has expired !

I think that I will wait until an Apple solution _ or_ until I get a brand new Macintosh and fall back into the then current macOS version.

just upgrade to 10.12.6 and you have apfs support.
10.11 to 10.12 is a “smooth” update, not many problems with it.
contrary to any->10.13 !

ps: don’t hope for any apple solution …

You are right.

My internal SSD is 250GB and nearly always full (arouns 20 to 50 Free GB). Before upgrading, I will baclup that data. So any new mac OS is a non sense excepted the current one.

On the other way, my most recent Xojo license is for 2015r1.

After a bit of thinking, I came to the conclusion that excepted if I have to upgrade (am forced foe some reason to update), I will stay as it is right now. Getting a brand new Apple laptop is a way to “be forced” to use Mojave (probably, and for me).

Nota: Is trongly dislike Apple’s direction (201x) for mac OS.

Beside bugs, I was able for decades to use macOS the way I want and love. Changing Finder grids was boring, changing keyboard shortcuts (in the View Menu) too, changing the way the green button (left of windows) behave, and so on. Not talking about where windows are displayed on multiple screens and too far “features” (changes on old or brand new ones *) are particularly boring.

  • The way a senior vice-president make debug (and gives order to change decade old behaviors because he do not know them) - this is IMHO - is particuliarly bad.

All of these reasons (and probably more that I actually forgot) does not let me think I have to upgrade (fast / until I cannot continue to use old mac OS).

Actually, my OS troubles comes with the 10.2 to 10.3 transition (Finder Desktop invisible files), and Xojo was not really good for me (I have to build a simple projedt nearly for every new feature I want to add in main projects until they works there). Sometimes, the project works fine, so I save it, shut down, back home to discover that after I powered on my laptop that the new feature (or another) is no more working. Very boring.

Off topic:
I reported a Xojo issue with transparent images under Mojave.
( I had to do some widespread refactoring to move away from white=transparent)
It was a serious (and immediately obvious to the customer) issue.

I have thousands of users, and many of them in turn run businesses using the software.
Since Mojave came out, only 3 people reported this to me, and 2 of them ran into it because they had bought a new Mac due to their old one dying.
Based only on my limited feedback, I strongly suspect that Mojave is not being installed by many people at the moment.

a 500gb ssd is quite cheap nowadays. I always remember installing the first one 8 years ago, a 512gb that cost … 1850 € HT !!!

Some people (me included), with time, stop to install the first release and wait for .2 or .2 or… before installing a new macOS version.
Also: I do not do that with El Capitan, and this is a bit difficult to do, but installing the last .x update of a macOS is also a bit dangerous. On some old macOS, that version contained preliminary work of what was installed in the next major update: I had some troubles (I forgot what troubles) that were removed in the next major version.

In fact, I do not have a 2.5" SSD inside, but an SSD in the memory chip format. That MacBook Pro 13" is 4 years old, but do not have an SSD in the 2.5" hardware format. But I am thinking at an external SSD (~ 500 GB) and using it as a boot drive, letting the internal one as an every day data storage, eventually.

MacWay (Strasbourg) had an Action: Série 860 EVO, Disque SSD 2,5", 500 Go / SATA III, 89,90 €.
That action is over.

Thanks guys for the feedback.

depending on the macbook retina 13", you can get some msata adapters, then use standard and cheaper msata drives.

a ssd is better inside the mac than outside…

you will also need a pentalobe screwdriver to open the macbook.

tous les dtails (en franais) :

I will check at the MacWay shop @ Strasbourg this week. Thanks.

I did use El Capitan until today on my MacBook Pro late 2013 with SSD. I just update to Mojave.
I have 2 partitions on my SSD, one for system, applications and users. The second partition contains all my documents (photos, Xojo projets, .doc, .xls, etc. ).
The first partition (system) did automatically change to APFS. The second partition (my Documents) stay in HFS.
Xojo project (which are second parttion the HFS) are longer to open since I’m running Mojave.
Should I change my second partition to APFS ? Is it faster ? is it safer ?

Thank you.

Longer, or no longer?

You’re right, the desert macOS changed the boot drive to APFS, even at my computer,
and the external one is still formatted with HFS+ (storing some documents, also used as Time Machine backup system).

may be one day I will understand what makes apfs better. I still haven’t !

And this is a good thing: APFS contents HD/SSD are not readable from HSF boot…

@Jean-Yves Pochez — Well you can take snapshots of your volume, but perhaps more interesting is the possibility of creating another logical volume on the same disk. It is like having a new partition but without actually partitionning your drive. It can be useful if you want to install a beta system that you can quickly get rid of.

that’s not something I will do any time soon, nor will any 99% of the mac user base do.
anyway thanks for the explaination !