I've hit the ceiling

My iMac has reached full maturity. At macOS 10.13.6 there is nowhere else to go. However, it was still a shock when I learnt that Xojo 2022r4 would not play with my OS. 2022r3.2 is the most recent version which I can work with on my desktop.

So it piques me more than somewhat, whenever I start Xojo on my iMac, to be reminded that, at present, version 2022r4.1 is available to download. At least the App Store has the decency to hide upgrades that are incompatible with my aging OS.

Is there any way that I (and possibly others with obsolescent systems) can turn off the infuriating taunt?

To completely disable update checking, with Xojo open:

  1. Select the “Xojo” menu item
  2. Select “Preferences”
  3. Click the “Updates” tab
  4. Set “Check for updates” to Never.
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Did you try Xojo 2022r4.1 on macOS 10.13?

Beside the system requirements listing 10.14 as minimum, the actual app shows 10.13 as minimum. So maybe it’s just one feature for iOS not working on 10.14, but maybe you don’t care?

I put in the update reminder:
https://tracker.xojo.com/xojoinc/xojo/-/issues/71310

xojo 2022r41 works fine on my 2011 macbook pro and macos 10.13.6
this setup is not supported but it still works fine (and compiles app too that works under 10.13)

… I’m waiting for macbook pro 16 M2 to upgrade …

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mac os limits are a scam. Artificial coded limits to make users buy new stuff. I still use a 2012 macbook with Monterey. Plenty of tutorials online to install new os on old hardware.

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I’m running Monterey on a 5,1 Mac Pro. I used a different guide, but this one is the best that I’ve seen:

https://youtu.be/mtN8zxGVNwQ

Sometimes they release new hardware that old macOS does not contain drivers, so you can’t really run old OSes in those hardwares (without “community” hacks), the inverse happens too, newer macOS with old drivers removed but necessary for old hardwares (again, needs help from the hackintosh people transplanting parts and creating drivers and patching things). We can’t say that aren’t limits, sometimes there are, but the community circumvent them (as the XNU kernel driver injection and patch engine part of the OpenCore Bootloader for example).

This may help:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=install+ventura+on+unsupported+mac

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Just updated the old 2012 macbook to Ventura 13.1 … Looks like it will have still some more years of use.

Used this but all the tutorials are almost the same.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LOqHMo5WSQ

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That will work until Apple drops Intel support, which could happen this year.

More likely three years after the shipped the last one with Intel.
And as of today they still sell an Intel Mac Mini and Mac Pro.

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I think i will do the same. But on a French forum I was told that the difference with M1 won’t be so big. I’m a little afraid of the new system I will have to use because of the restrictions compared to Mojave (I use actually).

you can expect 15% perf upgrade between M1 and M2.
but also a pretty sure price increase… so the M1 is still a good option

Fact is, Thomas, you need to make sure your software runs fine on the new Macs.

Indeed perhaps such limits are a way for Apple to force renewals. But on the other hand, astute programmers can benefit from that. For instance, M1 means selling upgrades.

Watched this video. Looks to be great. Since I do have two late 2012 MBP’s in the cupboard I consider trying this out. Takes me an afternoon I am afraid but it’s going to be fun if it succeeds.

I updated mine yesterday to ventura 13.1 and it works. A couple years ago I put 8 Gb of RAM and an SSD on the MBP 2012 and it has many years to live.

(The RAM and SSD were lying around from a windows laptop I updated :upside_down_face:)

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A friend of me, the guy who made me discover Xojo, gave me his CS6 license. We develop one game together and I needed it to open the pictures he made for our game. I still use Photoshop but in basic mode, I don’t use complex feature. I continue to use it because I know how to do what I need. I bought Affinity softwares yers ago but I don’t use them. I know I will have to switch when I will update my system.
I will miss Media pro too, I bought iView Media pro then Expression Media Pro then Media Pro (and after we all pay the update Capture One annonce that they stop the development :rage: ), but I begin to use XnViewMP.
All my others softwares should be ok, except maybe Microsoft Word Excel which are version 16.16 year 2018.
The biggest problem for me is the Apple system Mac OS X. Many years ago I jump on new system like a child on an ice cream. Since some years ago I have to be pulled like a dog to take a bath.

Thank you for the report Ivan.
I have one MBP mid 2012 which came originally with 4GB / 256GB spinning drive, but on going I stepped it up to 16GB / 1TB SSD and a new battery.
Since I have a 2019 MBP with Ventura the 2012 one has fallen into disuse. But now I am going to jack it up to Ventura in order to be able to run Parallels 18 on it. Good to have a spare laptop.