[quote=218536:@Norman Palardy]Hence why my real PC sits powered off and I run all versions of Windows in a VM
Delete VM
Recreate from clean original backup of VM
Done
10 minutes or less[/quote]
Quite effective. But you probably do not need much testing on actual hardware.
Antivirues are a complete waste of money and resources nowdays since 99% of malware is just trojans or adware that can be removed with free anti adware softwar, I use spybot
Yet another nasty side effect of antiviruses. I tried Nod32 thinking it would only track viruses. That pesky shoe decided also to read all my mail, and even nastier, to block certain web programs, and guess what ? It ruined Xojo Web run. What a pest…
Interesting. I don’t see that behavior with running Xojo web apps. In fact, that I can test and run XOJO web apps with it running in the background is precisely why I selected it! Or perhaps I do see the problem with my failing 64-bit tests? - going to the lab now.
EDIT: after disabling NOD32, the 64-bit web app still behaves the same.
Michel, you can easily tell Nod32 to leave your mail alone. Open the app window, goto configuration, and it is right there. FWIW, it correctly identified and stopped about a dozen emails that went through my spam filter and perimeter AV, which were carrying a trojan since I installed it about 18 months ago.
I don’t doubt your word, but I am very curious about what could be different between our installs, that would result in a different behavior with XOJO web apps.
… and I fully understand your anger with Nod32 right now. I felt it many times with many other AV products and suites.
Windows 10 beta build 10547, execution of the Xojo web build was prevented for 2015R2.4 as well as the current 2015R3 beta. Now that the thing is removed everything is dandy.
The thing I hate about these products is that it is like the Reader’s Digest : once you signed, it is on you to sign off. I wanted an antivirus. The thing that monitors programs for viruses. I did not want an extra mail filter, I did not want a thing that decides for me what I can see on the web. Now I have to go into the settings to prevent the intrusive monster to mess with my machine.
When I sell an app to write checks, I do not program into it some sneaky routines to take over the bank. I do not appreciate people who sell a rabbit that turns monster after midnight.
As a developer, I need a machine that is not tweaked by so called utilities when I don’t want it to. I do not need more bugs than I can produce. Exit Nod32.
The best antivirus remains : don’t execute programs that came from nowhere. As for trojans, the rule is : don’t open attachments unless you are certain of where they come from. Second rule is : delete anything that comes from an unknown party.
Oh. I so much miss the historical MacAfee. When I had a doubt, I downloaded the latest version, scanned the machine and knew its status. Now any antivirus overstays its welcome, takes over the coach, kills the dog and empties the fridge before telling you if a critter was in the basement…
It’s best to have windows managing the anti-virus. Don’t use free and/or payed AV.
Windows doesn’t make PC’s there is your maintanance. Having a physical PC works best for me (latest windows) and test using the properties windows provide. Compatability mode…
Thank you for an interesting conversation!
Being a passive user, I think I’m fairly much still part of the game!
I have bad experience of Norton, but also, it’s a long time ago. I have no actual experience of neither Node32 or the Russian… Kaspersky.
I’ve been using AVG for the past 15 years or so.
My web host provider has a “kill-em-all” anti spam filter that really do the work serious and there are almost no letters arriving.
I’ve solved it by actually purchasing a new computer. This time a Toshiba. That’s a brand I have no previous experience of.
It’s NOT the cheapest laptop on the shelf!
https://www.google.com/search?q=toshiba-satellite-s50-b-14j-15.6
Main thing for me is SSD drive and a working power socket. It’s all!
The sales person actually suggested a Mac, but then, there are the software issues… (VM… yes, but please, not now!)
The Mac will be next! 
I look forward!
EDIT
I forgot to write. I think it is difficult to tell what (small) software are extras or what are needed to run the computer or parts of the computer.
I try to remove the extras but it’s not always easy to tell…!
With Windows 10, you could try to re-initialize Windows without keeping any program or data. That should ste Windows back to RTM. You can do this under parameters, system, system info, modify windows key, recovery.
[quote=219789:@Jakob Krabbe]I think it is difficult to tell what (small) software are extras or what are needed to run the computer or parts of the computer.
I try to remove the extras but it’s not always easy to tell…![/quote]
A few years ago, I bought a Sony Vaio laptop. That poor machine was looking like a Google billboard, full of moving things and bloatware from top to toe.
I spent some like a couple days uninstalling plenty of Google thingies which the browser bar were the least worry, had to extract Norton AV, among other things. Then remained quite a few other programs I did know if they were needed or not. Six month later, the rule appeared clearly : whatever I had not used in half a year was to go.
Note that I did not touch any of the things in the system, beyond accessible preferences, and the host file (needed to filter out ads).