@Jose_Fernandez_del_Valle
If you want to address everyone I would suggest contacting a moderator for this forum then let them speak to all members
I don’t see the reason to do so.
Just as Tim Parnell is free to do so, I am also free to post my comments.
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@Jose_Fernandez_del_Valle
@Tim_Parnell stated for this thread
You stated “A message to everyone”
It’s an insult to the reader to think we can’t tell when we’re being fed AI generated text.
It’s an insult to this community that people are trying to get away with posting AI generated content.
We have a category for AI, and all I’ve asked thrice now, is that you keep your AI generated content there.
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I truly understand your frustration.
The right course of action is for XOJO to change the established forum rules. You should speak with them and convince them with your arguments.
You have no authority in this forum to change the rules to suit your own purposes.
This Xojo community is shrinking and I for one can research and generate AI subjects on discussion matter myself
Coming to the forums I look for human interaction and knowledge not AI generated answers unless it is explicitly stated so
Our community is shrinking enough , human knowledge is all we have left
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[Moderation hat on] We don’t have a rule about posts written by AI. We should do. I’ve initiated a conversation with other moderators so that we can sort that. We aren’t other forums, we aren’t Reddit, what’s right for them may not be right for us.
FWIW, I’m really not a fan of posts that are obviously written entirely by AI. I can see them a mile off. But we’ll see what rule comes out of this.
In the meantime, let’s get back on track and focus on the topic.
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@Gavin_Smith
Correct we are not other forums
In the discussion with other moderators it should be stressed how unique the xojo forums are and how thin the community is becoming and how human knowledge is more valuable now then ever.
AI has it’s place and it can be a great tool but not replacing human knowledge especially when the topic relates to Xojo
Thanks for listening
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In addition to what you’ve said:
I see the forum as a place to resolve doubts about XOJO. Maintain this focus, please.
A place where I can find a solution to a problem I’m having (with the XOJO tool).
The user manual is useful; however, it does not answer all questions.
@Jose_Fernandez_del_Valle
Focus is always maintained
Xojo learning materials, YouTube , Manuals, blog (learning tools)
Xojo is the tool(framework) we are here to discuss and ask questions about using
I can ask many AI tools for advice and soutions
I and many others come to these forums for human experience and advise
Remember AI is a tool not not a replacement for human experience and knowledge
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I agree with your comment: “AI is a tool, not a replacement for human experience and knowledge.”
When you mention: “I and many others come to these forums for human experience and advice,”
Do you mean that in the forum can be given by an AI?
Or.
Is it possible for a person to take a paragraph from an AI, because the person considers the answer appropriate?
@Jose_Fernandez_del_Valle
I mean if someone asks a question on this forum it should be answered by a human experience not by just asking AI to generate an answer. We can all ask AI questions , people come here for actual human experience
A person can take a paragraph generated by AI, but by all that is humanity please investigate it first then phrase a response here by human response.
You can of course believe AI is the end all, but others will disagree
Hi Tim,
just to clarify: nothing in my posts here was written independently by AI. I used AI solely to translate my own thoughts and opinions into what I consider to be proper English. As a non-native speaker, especially when it comes to legal topics and technical terminology, it’s not always easy to find the correct wording or specific terms. Yes, I do use AI extensively for that purpose.
However, that does not mean I’m relying on AI as a source of opinions or expert knowledge without reflection. The ideas, viewpoints, and arguments are entirely my own.
That’s why I find your accusations highly inappropriate, as well as discriminatory and offensive.
My intention here is purely to discuss the implications of the CRA. As professional Xojo developers in Europe, we need proper support to ensure that we can continue using Xojo as our preferred development environment. If that support is not provided, we will inevitably have to consider alternative tools that meet these requirements.
Best regards
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I think it would be beneficial to drop the topic of the AI debate for now, or at least take it to Off Topic. We should have forum rules on AI usage in posts, and we will make that clear when we get it done.
For now, we can still have something productive come from this thread, I’d really rather not lock it.
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for some people english is not their native language AI is a legitimate tool for them.
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Gavin has gently reminded us to get the thread back on track. 
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I’m arriving late to this topic and can see it is generating a good deal of debate and although I am almost completely ignorant of the main issue (EU Cyber Resiliance Act) and the presumably complex legal text that is involved I wonder if I might just pose one question that those who are likely way ahead of me in researching this Act might be able to offer thoughts on.
I might presume that for any application I release my SBOM would identify “components” that are incorporated from “third party resources”. With respect to Xojo (my core development tool) my SBOM would simply include identification of that component and I might presume (in the absence of any further research yet on my part) that meets my obligations and if “they” can identify that fact then it is logical that “they” progress to review Xojo’s SBOM and travel along the SBOM hierarchy to their hearts content wherever it leads them. In the event that Xojo identify any form of security breach then identification of all applications that list Xojo as a component are identifiable and presumably questionable in respect of any such security breach.
Will be conducting my own research on what is undoubtedly an important topic, but which I feel I could delay for some time, to understand further and frankly wanted to exploit the fact that those who have already made efforts in that respect might be able to offer views about today.
Where those SBOM are supposed to be? I never saw them in the software I use. They should be in a ReadMe file, in the about box of the software, or in a file in the contents package of the application that we read with another application?
Note: I sometimes use DeepL to help me writing my post in English but not this time 
(Just trying to make some joke to come down)
Based on what I’ve learned purely from this discussion, they don’t have to be provided unless explicitly requested. I would assume that many are kicking the can down the road until they see if anyone bothers asking rather than develop the systems or processes to document this as dependencies change (which can be a PITA).
Even if I manage to get all the SBOMs from the plugins I use how am I supposed to update the information? Do I need to make a new SBOM for every release? Do plugin authors and Xojo have to provide SBOMs for every release? What happens if they provide only information for the current release and I use an older release? If the SBOM is not public do I have to ask for every release for a new one? If I only use a part of any plugin how do I identify which internal parts are used by the parts I use?
This all sounds good at first glance but highly impractical for implementation.
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