I downloaded RealStudio from CNET (can’t find it on the website), and even though @Norman Palardy blames the bug on Apple, guess what? The bug doesn’t fucking exist in Real Studio! Norman, if it’s Apple’s fault, then surely it would have existed in Real Studio as well, right? Well, it doesn’t and this really, really pisses me off.
What else I don’t get, is that a one man studio is capable of creating Basic4Android, Basic4Java, and now the guy is working on Basic4iOS. I thought that more programmers would mean a better quality product. Looks like I found my next set of IDEs.
[quote=107360:@Shane Gibbs] <…>
What else I don’t get, is that a one man studio is capable of creating Basic4Android, Basic4Java, and now the guy is working on Basic4iOS. I thought that more programmers would mean a better quality product. Looks like I found my next set of IDEs.[/quote]
OR : it is not one guy, but Israel secret service which finances and develops that thing to get a backdoor into every computer worldwide. Paranoid conspiracy theory? Well, how the heck could one man do just all this in such a short time?
Shane - Seems every time you post something you take a really poor, bordering on aggressive, tone.
Only last week you posted Link which implies you’ve already tried these others and given up!
Look, all I’m getting at is that if you want help why not take a more constructive, polite tone!
31338 - I can’t see the images so not seeing what you are, I’ve tried to recreate here and not gotten misaligned anything. Can you post an image here with what your getting?
It takes the Java byte code and translates it into Objective-C, Java, etc. I’m assuming it’s using ANTLR, that awesome language translation tool. Basically, ANTLR works with templates. Plus, the guy had already developed Basic4Android and Basic4Java. How could three guys in a garage create the world’s smallest computer (Apple 1) when previous computers were as big as houses? That’s why we went to the moon
You can even produce this with two Apple logos:
[quote=107365:@Patrick Delaney]Shane - Seems every time you post something you take a really poor, bordering on aggressive, tone.
Only last week you posted Link which implies you’ve already tried these others and given up!
Look, all I’m getting at is that if you want help why not take a more constructive, polite tone!
31338 - I can’t see the images so not seeing what you are, I’ve tried to recreate here and not gotten misaligned anything. Can you post an image here with what your getting?[/quote]
To see the images, click on the paper clip icon in the bottom toolbar. Also, I have not tried any of the Basic4 products. I love that Basic4Java is free.
I don’t feel like installing Windows just to use those tools. I’m planning on getting a mini and installing a SSD to use Parallels. (Hate that it takes jumping through hoops to get the Magic stuff working with Windows. Virtualization solves that )
Oh - I thought it was some problem with a deployed application rather than an IDE thing. Is this the Feedback thing you’ve been saying is a showstopper?
I can’t recreate on my Win 7 VM with Xojo Release 2 - all looks ok to me.
Don’t know anything about Basic4Java but if it’s got anything to do with Java - I’m out!!!
[quote=107376:@Patrick Delaney]Oh - I thought it was some problem with a deployed application rather than an IDE thing. Is this the Feedback thing you’ve been saying is a showstopper?
I can’t recreate on my Win 7 VM with Xojo Release 2 - all looks ok to me.
Don’t know anything about Basic4Java but if it’s got anything to do with Java - I’m out!!![/quote]
Have you tried OS X? (you have?) That’s where the bug occurs. It’s a showstopper because it’s a pain to manually align them and the ‘bug’ affects compiled apps. (Ex: SegMentedControl appears way to the right, even worse than the IDE, in the referenced case in my case.)
I know how you feel about Java, I did used to feel the same way then I read that it was the web plugin that was the one that was riddled with security holes. The desktop version is pretty much secure and it all depends on what sites you visit, what you download, etc.
Basic4Java it outputs are Java apps. Basic4Android outputs native Android apps and Basic4iOS will output native Obj-C apps.
I use OSX as my main machine 24x7 (or it feels like it anyway!). Struggling to see why this would be a ‘showstopper’ - whats your use case that makes this a showstopper?
[quote=107380:@Shane Gibbs]I know how you feel about Java, I did used to feel the same way then I read that it was the web plugin that was the one that was riddled with security holes. The desktop version is pretty much secure and it all depends on what sites you visit, what you download, etc.
Basic4Java it outputs are Java apps. Basic4Android outputs native Android apps and Basic4iOS will output native Obj-C apps.[/quote]
It’s Java - I’m Out!!!
I used Basic4Android to create an Android app as test project. The IDE is less elaborate than Xojo’s but the product is nice. I especially love their dynamic editor where the Android device is used real time to display the UI design in progress. Much better than XCode Interface Builder and iOS simulator. Especially when iPad screens no longer fit on the iMac display.
Their forum is not quite as vivid as this one, but I found there a friendly atmosphere and encountered no SO snits. Even more interesting Erel, the developer of the language, seems to be there all the time.
So far, it has been my best experience developing for Android.
Why not simply turn your older Mac into a PC with Boot camp when you get your mini for Mac OS X ? I have used virtualization for years but it never quite gets up to par with a hardware based PC. Even an aging Mac is a racing machine in the PC world. Which you do need for comfortable development. Furthermore, I did not test it as I did my work on a physical PC, but Android link may not work very well from a virtual PC, as it links trough the local network router through IP.
[quote=107384:@Patrick Delaney]I use OSX as my main machine 24x7 (or it feels like it anyway!). Struggling to see why this would be a ‘showstopper’ - whats your use case that makes this a showstopper?
It’s Java - I’m Out!!![/quote]
I’ve been spoiled by different UI designers, etc. Does this affect your mac? What Model is it? You would have to take a screen shot of each control (Segmented, ProgressBar, etc) while it’s selected.
But 10 seconds subtracting 2 pixels from the segmented control and adding 1 pixel to the progress bar fixed everything.
Inconvenience, maybe. Bug, maybe. There’s a feedback and it’s been verified, I’d say there’s far more pressing issues to sort out before this, especially as there’s a very simple workaround…
I ask again - what’s the use case that makes this a showstopper? Why is this issue affecting your users/customers in such a way that the application is broken and can’t be fixed due to problems within the framework?
I use both IDEs here too (Xojo and B4A). Both have their bugs and rough edges to work on. But as Michel already posted above, Erel (or the Mossad or who else behind him*) did a great job, so did the folks at Xojo Inc. Use it or leave it, Shane. Or work with us all to find bugs. But do it in a polite way. Nothing’s gained with false accusations and trolling. Netiquette ftw!
