Opinion : What would you change (if anything) about the Property Inspector

  1. last week

    Dave S

    Dec 2 San Diego, California USA

    What would you add, delete, change or add to the way the current Xojo Property Inspector works.
    Astheics? Functionality? anything?

  2. Wayne G

    Dec 2 Pre-Release Testers, Xojo Pro Auckland, New Zealand

    I would make the default value specific to the data type i.e. a switch for a boolean value, numeric input only for number types and a popup menu for enum selection.

  3. Norman P

    Dec 2 Pre-Release Testers, Xojo Pro under a bus

    use less space
    keyboard accessible
    basically the old REAL Studio / REALbasic style that was just a custom listbox

  4. Kevin G

    Dec 2 Pre-Release Testers, Xojo Pro Gatesheed, England

    More space for edit fields - especially method names & parameter lists.

  5. Norman P

    Dec 2 Pre-Release Testers, Xojo Pro under a bus

    oh I wouldn't put method editing in the property list at all
    theyre not "properties"

  6. Tim J

    Dec 2 Pre-Release Testers N. Phoenix, AZ

    Allow it to be visible at the same time as the Library palette (maybe stacked vertically) without floating them.

  7. Anthony C

    Dec 2 Pre-Release Testers, Xojo Pro, Third Party Store GraffitiSuite Developer

    The inspector is awful. It needs to be a property list. The lack of uniformity and wasted UI look unprofessional, and make me cringe.

  8. Beatrix W

    Dec 2 Pre-Release Testers, Third Party Store Europe (Germany)

    I want the thing not to move when I edit something (Feedback Case #57894) because it makes me curse every time I edit a control. Sorting alphabetically also would be nice.

    Rename the silly "value" back to "text". I search for "text" for the default. No, it's now "value".

  9. Thom M

    Dec 2 Pre-Release Testers Greater Hartford Area, CT

    @Anthony C The inspector is awful. It needs to be a property list. The lack of uniformity and wasted UI look unprofessional, and make me cringe.

    Aw. Personally, I think exactly the same about the Real Studio property list. It looks like an ugly uncreative hack.

    Geoff really wanted something more like Xcode, that was more designed and less automated. You can see a little bit of that in the locking selector and font properties. The inspector was smart enough to see the 4 locking properties exist for the object, and will bundle them all into one locking editor. If you were to remove a locking property from a control, the inspector would revert to just showing 3 boolean switches.

    But the fact of the matter is some level of automation is required. And that automation is completely at odds with the human-designed inspector.

    I'm not sure what I'd do differently if I had to do it all over again, aside from filling in more "designed" property groups.

  10. Neil B

    Dec 2 Pre-Release Testers

    I'd like to see collapsible property groups. Also less flickering on windows.

    See here for an example (written in Xojo). https://forum.xojo.com/42618-more-flicker-on-windows/10

  11. Craig H

    Dec 2 Black Hills, SD, USA

    Mouse over a property name, right click to show contextual menu.... scroll to select " Help for (property name). That is, just as in the code editor.

    Alternatively, add an info box at the bottom of the inspector area (as in the Library Inspector, where mousing over an icon will display info at the bottom of the window).

  12. Dave S

    Dec 2 San Diego, California USA

    @Craig H Library Inspecto

    One of us is confused.... I am not talking property such as variable, but Property Inspector (aka Library Inspector)

  13. Craig H

    Dec 2 Black Hills, SD, USA
    Edited last week

    Dave, I agree fully... one of us is confused.

    I was referring to this: http://docs.xojo.com/UserGuide:Inspector

    In my use case, suppose I wanted to know what "Allow Auto Deactivate" means? I would mouse over the text, right click... select "Show Help for RectControl.AllowAutoDeactivate" from the (new) popup/contextual menu, and then be taken to the language reference page with that name.

  14. Andy B

    Dec 2 Airdrie, AB, Canada
    Edited last week

    Have a look at VS. RAD studio does the same thing, albeit it defaults to the wrong side. :-)

    There's a COMPLETE list of every property, with current values in each one. Ellipses if the property requires a dialog (font chooser, color, long text, etc.)
    What drives me more crazy than the properties being all over the place instead of a list (and some on the inspector, some in settings) is that not all properties are listed in the Xojo Inspector.
    I'd love to see property binding, but I get that Xojo doesn't really support binding...

  15. Tiago R

    Dec 2 Pre-Release Testers Planet Earth

    @Tim J Allow it to be visible at the same time as the Library palette (maybe stacked vertically) without floating them.

    +1

  16. Norman P

    Dec 2 Pre-Release Testers, Xojo Pro under a bus

    @Tim J Allow it to be visible at the same time as the Library palette (maybe stacked vertically) without floating them.

    That relates to the IDE's use of the inspector & library
    That wasnt Dave's question though

    Imagine you're going to lift the inspector all by itself out and make a new user defined control that maybe you were going to sell as its own component
    What would you change about the Inspector (just the inspector)

  17. Tiago R

    Dec 2 Pre-Release Testers Planet Earth

    @Norman P That relates to the IDE's use of the inspector & library
    That wasnt Dave's question though

    Imagine you're going to lift the inspector all by itself out and make a new user defined control that maybe you were going to sell as its own component
    What would you change about the Inspector (just the inspector)

    I’d make it collapsible (accordion-like)

  18. Christian S

    Dec 3 Pre-Release Testers, Xojo Pro, XDC Speakers, Third Party Store Germany

    We made the feature request to put all build settings on one screen in the middle and not in the inspector.
    Also shrinking height of entries to fit more there could be helpful.

  19. Philippe S

    Dec 3 Pre-Release Testers, Xojo Pro

    Collapsible sections, fields and editors that make sense (method name, method parameters…)

  20. Gavin S

    Dec 3 Pre-Release Testers, Xojo Pro UK

    • Much more dense Inspector
    • Font is not an "advanced" property of a control and should not be on an "advanced" tab
    • Lose the iOS-style switch

    Basically a more modern version of the Real Studio/REALbasic Inspector.

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