I‘m asked: why not filemaker?

  1. 2 months ago

    Oliver O

    Mar 13 Pre-Release Testers, Xojo Pro https://udemy.seminar.pro

    Trying to answer that question, I also tried to figure out what the current licensing situation is, with filemaker.

    I found the information that the runtime is „deprecated“. Does this mean that soon any customer of a custom filemaker application is requred to purchase a filemaker pro license?

    The information about this, on the filemaker website, is most obscure, at leat to me...

    Can any filemaker expert share his knowledge?
    How much does it cost to share a filemaker app?

  2. Jean-Yves P

    Mar 13 Pre-Release Testers, Xojo Pro Europe (France, Besançon)

    filemaker is too expensive to deploy. really.

  3. Emile S

    Mar 13 Europe (France, Strasbourg)

    Did you ask FileMaker Inc about that ?

    Another point of view:

    It is a chance for you as a developer to provide Xojo bsed applications to replace FileMaker solutions… ;)

  4. Christian S

    Mar 13 Pre-Release Testers, Xojo Pro, XDC Speakers Germany

    Runtimes are deprecated for 5 years now.
    FMI still includes them, even for next version, so you can continue for a few more years until an OS upgrade may break them.

    FileMaker itself can be fast to make a database application, especially as you get a lot of built-in, server, web and iOS client.
    It costs about $15 per user and month, but can go down with higher user counts.

  5. Jean-Yves P

    Mar 13 Pre-Release Testers, Xojo Pro Europe (France, Besançon)
    Edited 2 months ago

    @Emile S It is a chance for you as a developer to provide Xojo bsed applications to replace FileMaker solutions… ;)

    that's what I did, replace 4th dimension and filemaker I used 10 years ago with sqlite, postgres, (sometimes mysql) and xojo app.
    works far far far better that before, but it took me 3+ years to make the same functions.

    I agree with Christian, FM is a good choice to quickly make a database prototype, but then it costs a lot if you deploy it.
    I dont even speak about the OOP capabilities of the script toy included in FM. Jesus they (still) have hypertalk, why don'y they include it in FM ????

  6. Christian S

    Mar 13 Pre-Release Testers, Xojo Pro, XDC Speakers Germany

    Well, a big difference is that in Xojo you need to invest something like 1000 work hours to get some basic stuff coded before you can do what you would do in FileMaker with a few mouse clicks.

    FileMaker is great for someone who is not a developer to define a database and start entering data. Add a few reports, charts, imports and exports, all without writing a single script line.

    You can build nice and huge systems with solutions to run a business with hundreds of people using it.

    But usually it makes more sense if you bill a client e.g. $5000 for a solution and the $1000 share for FileMaker license is worth it.

  7. James N

    Mar 13 Pre-Release Testers, Xojo Pro Christchurch New Zealand

    If you use argen with Xojo you can have a simple database app in an afternoon. All the time consuming crud is done in a flash

  8. Jean-Yves P

    Mar 13 Pre-Release Testers, Xojo Pro Europe (France, Besançon)

    @James N-Plank If you use argen with Xojo you can have a simple database app in an afternoon. All the time consuming crud is done in a flash

    there is more than just the database things to replace when you come from 4th dimension or filemaker.
    but yes argen is a good start.

  9. Jean-Yves P

    Mar 13 Pre-Release Testers, Xojo Pro Europe (France, Besançon)

    @ChristianSchmitz Well, a big difference is that in Xojo you need to invest something like 1000 work hours to get some basic stuff coded before you can do what you would do in FileMaker with a few mouse clicks.

    I did this as a part time developer, so it took me 3 years to do it, but I counted some 650 hours in my dev logs to achieve the kernel.

  10. Susan F

    Mar 13 XDC Speakers McKinney, Texas

    @Oliver O - as a FileMaker reseller, I can tell you that license purchases are confusing. But, to roll out a new app now, yes, you must purchase the licenses or minimally concurrent connections to access the application. Price per user varies depending on what type of company it is and how many total users you will have. If you go to the FileMaker store, you can see the pricing options and play around with different combinations - https://store.filemaker.com/

  11. Hal G

    Mar 13 Pre-Release Testers, Xojo Pro, XDC Speakers CampSoftware.com

    FileMaker pricing is about to go up again: https://twitter.com/HalGumbert/status/1105836351130341376

  12. Oliver O

    Mar 13 Pre-Release Testers, Xojo Pro https://udemy.seminar.pro

    Thanks everybody! The discussion here confirms my suspicion: it seems to be just as big of a confusing mess as I thought it is.

    Filemaker seems to be great to give a non-programmer a big jump-start, but then remains limited compared to actual programming languages, plus it comes at a high and continuously payable price.

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