Windows XP running machines “black booled” ?

  1. 8 months ago

    Emile S

    12 Feb 2018 Europe (France, Strasbourg)

    I fired VirtualBox and wanted to download LibreOffice on the XP virtual machine (I never updated it to Windows 10: too few available space in the boot HD).

    I was unable to access to any web site. So I am asking myself - and now you - if the ISP is filtering (out) hardware that runs Windows XP ?

  2. Oliver O

    12 Feb 2018 Pre-Release Testers, Xojo Pro https://udemy.seminar.pro

    @Emile S ... . So I am asking myself - and now you - if the ISP is filtering (out) hardware that runs Windows XP ?

    I think the browser is filtered out, not XP. I don’t know whether there is any current browser left, which could be installed on XP ...

  3. Peter J

    is not verified 12 Feb 2018 KwaZulu-Natal, South Africa

    I am not aware of any up-to-date browser versions for XP.

    Download Libre Office on your Mac and stick the installer in a shared folder or on a (NTFS) stick.

  4. @Emile S I was unable to access to any web site. So I am asking myself - and now you - if the ISP is filtering (out) hardware that runs Windows XP ?

    Windows XP is my favorite windows OS and still have it on VM. I can open any website, so it's not XP issue.

    @Oliver O I think the browser is filtered out, not XP. I don’t know whether there is any current browser left, which could be installed on XP ...

    As long as I know, only chrome that won't support XP anymore, the latest version for XP is 46.0.

  5. René L

    12 Feb 2018 Pre-Release Testers, Xojo Pro Ratingen, Duesseldorf, Germany

    Hello,

    the Current FireFox ESR is also XP Compatible. (And is at least "Up2Date")

  6. Emile S

    12 Feb 2018 Europe (France, Strasbourg)

    Browser: FireFox 52.60

    I forgot that I have access to another ISP: it is the other one that filter XP (certainly).

    I am able to connect to the internet from the other ISP.

    LibreOffice: I already download the msi versions (rejected, I have to download another version). I was thinking a msi version is a simple "download the application" application… In that case, I do not downloaded the version for Windows XP.

  7. Edited 8 months ago

    Download Libre Office or any other app from your current main OS and then make file transfer to VM and install it.

    p.s. Everyone today from Web world are forcing new web browsers to be used (they lookup agent string which is a parent of header when you are accessing to web sites) so by that they are forcing and new OS to be used as well... You know responsive, javascript, mobile, nice looking GUI and etc.... ;) that is one part of the story why XP is out but also there are few other things as well...

    p.s.
    you can use bellow tool to mount storage file under windows
    http://www.ltr-data.se/opencode.html/#ImDisk

  8. Emile S

    12 Feb 2018 Europe (France, Strasbourg)

    With Xojo, you are able to set your own UserAgent string (same with Safari).

    Then, you can have the WIndows download directly while running macOS ;=)

  9. Michel B

    12 Feb 2018 Pre-Release Testers RubberViews.com

    None of my apps support XP anymore. That system stopped in 2008. In Internet years, that is an eternity.

    Besides, it would seem only reasonable to have at least Windows 7 installed or better Windows 10, if you ever want to sell software to the current crop of machines. Just my 2 cents...

  10. Emile S

    12 Feb 2018 Europe (France, Strasbourg)

    McDonald’s touchscreen hardware still runs under XP (last time I checked); supermarket cachier machines runs too under XP.

    That said, with a 251GB built in SSD (boot disk), you are after each MB.

    I have to install High Sierra (so backup first), then install Windows 10, cry a little bit, and install as few software / data as possible to keep GB for everyday use.

    On the other hand, how many billions of XP machines will die running XP ? Isn't there a market to fulfill ?

  11. Louis D

    12 Feb 2018 Pre-Release Testers, Xojo Pro Montreal, QC, Canada

    As long as the Windows XP does not access the internet or is not accessed from the internet, you are relatively safe. I keep a Windows 2000 machine because I need to refer to a software that only runs on that version. The Win2K machine outbound traffic to WAN is blocked on the firewall. It cannot access the internet. The computer is also powered down when I don't need to access the software. Accessing the internet with a Win2K or a Win XP computer is the equivalent of playing russian roulette.

    Other than very specific uses, one should not be using Win2K, Win XP or even Win Vista. Win XP is down to about 7.3% (from 8.8% a year ago) of the desktop OS landscape. You are not aiming for the right market. People who don't update their OS certainly don't spend much on software either. Windows 7 and Windows 10 combined represent about 73% of the desktop OS landscape. 10 times more... I would certainly develop for Win 7 and up.

  12. Julian S

    12 Feb 2018 Pre-Release Testers, Xojo Pro UK

    @Emile S McDonald’s touchscreen hardware still runs under XP

    It runs XPe, as long as that does what is needed and they can still get the hardware, there is no point in changing it.

    @Emile S On the other hand, how many billions of XP machines will die running XP ? Isn't there a market to fulfill ?

    No, most people running XP at the moment won't be looking to pay for your software.

    I liked XP back in the day, but I wouldn't even give it VM room now.

  13. @Bogdan P You know responsive, javascript, mobile, nice looking GUI and etc.... ;) that is one part of the story why XP is out but also there are few other things as well...

    Why this is XP fault? I can't understand that.

  14. @AsisPatisahusiwa
    It's not XP fault :) Problem is that even MS forcing new products and services along by side with other products from other vendors on devices which are not just PC's. So retention of XP is something which MS made and move ahead with 'better' things.

    Last OS which MS made and which was okay and good is Windows 7.

    Everything after is just try to make something better and newer but they get lost in fog.

    Beside all that you can see that even main PC hardware vendor Intel don't want to support anymore older Windows than Windows 10 for new chipset's and cpu's. So, only way in future would be to use VM to run Windows XP :( which is relay sad without any reasons. On top of it if you look in history of Intel you can see that they become very lazy with chipset's and cpu's and that they didn't made anything revolutions for years and only polish front part and of course put limited technical support for OS's.

  15. Michel B

    13 Feb 2018 Pre-Release Testers RubberViews.com

    Who would want Windows 98 today ? XP is quickly fading away in the past, just the same way. At one point no end user will want to run it anymore.

    Sure, there will still be dedicated solutions such as POS or ATM Machines that came prepackaged with XP, but those will never run anything but their original program, and cannot be considered desktop or laptop computers.

    It is nobody's fault, but technical evolution is what it is. In the case of Windows XP, it could not do the kind of things that Windows 7 managed, and does not support most of the high end software available today. It is bound to go no matter what.

    For most developers, it has ceased to be a worthwhile target. Of course, they will always remain some idiosyncrasies..

  16. Emile S

    13 Feb 2018 Europe (France, Strasbourg)

    Please, explain idiosyncrasies

  17. Louis D

    13 Feb 2018 Pre-Release Testers, Xojo Pro Montreal, QC, Canada

    Specific and unique ways of doing things, specific and unique UI concepts, etc.

    En français, la traduction la plus proche serait probablement "particularités".

  18. Michel B

    13 Feb 2018 Pre-Release Testers RubberViews.com

    @Emile S Please, explain idiosyncrasies

    Dictionnaire Larousse :
    Idiosyncrasie :
    Manière d'être particulière à chaque individu qui l'amène à avoir tel type de réaction, de comportement qui lui est propre.
    Médical :
    Synonyme ancien de anaphylaxie ou de allergie.
    Disposition particulière de l'organisme à réagir de façon inhabituelle à un médicament ou à une substance.

    Particularités s'applique bien.

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